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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by finsraider, Mar 17, 2022.

  1. cmoak1982

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    I personally don’t think Banchero will be better than Sengun. Similar size and athleticism. Paolo is a better ball handler right now.
    I believe Sengun has him in every other facet of the game.
     
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    yeah no trading the BRK picks just yet. any of our vets or even the MIL pick is fine.

    all of those guys are intriguing but not on the same level as guys who might be in that 11-16 range and might fall to us: TyTy, Brahnam, Williams, Davis, Sochan. which is why I'd like to package tate with #17 to get the higher tier player. I'm really not interested in paying tate or wood long term and would rather turn them into draft equity before they become FAs.

    I'm also hoping some of the guys you mentioned prove they deserve late lotto - mid first round consideration. I love their archettype and fit, but not sure their current value aligns with our draft position.
     
  3. ApacheWarrior

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    Well I see Sengun as better at everything right now.....but I think Banchero
    will pass up Sengun at everything except passing.

    So the team has to see duplication or overlap in their games; but how
    much will Sengun points off passing be missed?

    If Sengun gets up to 5-6 assists per game as a full time starter (add 2 corner 3-pt shooters)
    vs Banchero eventually getting 4-5 assists under the same circumstances.....

    It's probably a wash. The few extra assists won't equate to much more wins.

    So again, why draft duplication when we spent two first round draft picks on Sengun?
    The only thing I can see is slightly greater foot speed by Banchero defensively.
     
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    its an interesting comparison. Paolo more of a large 3/4 and seogun more of a small 5.

    Paolo is quicker and a bit better at on ball defense (I think the concerns there are overblown), but alpy is much better at help defense and overall awareness and effort on D.
     
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    I don’t see Banchero passing him up. Paolo seems to be a finished product (body development) they’re only 4 months different in age but Sengun is definitely still holding a lot of baby fat.
    His shooting stroke is more fundamentally sound, his footwork on the interior is far superior, handle isn’t far behind Paolo, his defense is better, his IQ is insanely better and the real kicker is he’s done it against Pros already.
     
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    I see Sengun as a 4/5 and Paolo as mainly a 4 that can play some 3.
    Almost identical size, 6’10 with 7’-7’1 wingspan. Paolo is a little quicker, when Sengun gets in the gym I don’t think there will be much difference athletically between the two.
    Both average to above average NBA athletes.

    If Sengun shooting turns to a strength, which by all indications in his form it will. There isn’t much Paolo can do better.
     
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    But Sengun was playing in a pro Turkish league prior.
    That seasoning has to play into the equation. Banchero
    has not been around pro coaching yet. They could release
    his potential?
     
  8. cmoak1982

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    I don’t see a ton more upside in his play. Coach K is about the best fundamental coach you can get and better than any coaching Sengun has received.
    Physically I think Banchero is what he is, skillset is where he can improve. If both become better shooters there is no discernible difference between the two.
    I’ll take the former MVP and the guy that’s done it against pros
     
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    I think the ball handling, lateral quickness, and speed are all in Banchero's favor. look at some clips of him on a fast break. alpy can't move like that. banchero is also a better mid range and 3pt shooter. they are similar in some ways but banchero is the superior prospect. it will be alpy who has to fit with Paolo, not the other way around. the good news is if we're in this scenario then we got very lucky in the lottery and would also have 3 years of developing them together before any decisions have to be made.
     
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    I disagree. Alp is the better prospect right now and has a higher upside.
    Banchero might me a little quicker but it’s not by a lot. And Alp isn’t done physically maturing.
     
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    i think Sengun and Banchero could be a nasty frontline provided spots 1-3 all can knock the 3 ball down.

    it'd almost be like inverse 2017-2018 rockets where our offensive features two iso heavy scorers but this time in the interior of the defense. Sengun already demands a double from the weakside imagine him just setting up Banchero in better spots. Easy buckets. Now imagine both pulling defenders into the paint and we give Green more space to operate on the perimeter. and it gets even better if Sengun can increase his 3pt% from 30 to 35%.

    defensively there a lot of questions but if 1-3 spots can guard multiple wings it should be decent considering both Al-P and Paolo are very physical players. That's 500 lbs+ of meat to get through to the basket for opposing teams. A player like KJ Martin would be a great fit for this team with his weakside shotblocking.

    I personally think this lineup would have the highest potential to be a good team :

    Green/Christopher/Martin/Banchero/Sengun

    I'd also be exicted to try a super small lineup in small bursts of :

    KPJ/Green/Christopher/Martin/Banchero
     
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    And i would take Banchero if I didn't already have Sengun (paid 2 freaking 1st Rd picks for him)

    Yes, Coach K is world renowned but how long did Banchero work with
    coach K? 6 months (since midnight madness)?

    Sengun has had two years, luxury of being around:
    Silas
    John Lucas
    Coach Diop
    Matt Bullard
    Clyde Drexler
    Calvin Murphy
    Mario Elie
    Elvin Hayes
    Coach Weaver
    The Dream Olajuwon

    Christian Wood and Theis haha
     
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    He’s had one year. And I wouldn’t call any of them outside of Dream amazing teachers.
    Look what Dream did in one or two meetings, he was able to take it in game immediately.
     
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    And Paolo has been with Coach K a couple months shorter than Alp has been in the states.
    Not even mentioning Americanized training programs.
     
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    And he made huge improvement since pre season to end of season

    Give Banchero the same environment and see how well he improves with Olajuwon
     
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    Now you are selling short the Turkish league. I did that as well when
    we drafted Sengun. Give them credit. Sengun didn't learn everything
    as a 16 to 18 year old on his own.
     
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    Nothing wrong with them at all, the development is different than the competition.
    Alp is a much more raw prospect than Paolo and yet they’re similar in talent right now.
    Upside belongs to Alp
     
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    Paolo was pretty much the same all season. Not a ton of growth. He came in fairly polished. Not a ton of projection with him. If he shoots better percentages he will be very good.
    If Alp shoots better percentages, he’s better than Paolo.
     
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    Sengun is by far currently the better player at not settling for hard shots in the mid range and getting/making close looks. I'd guess Sengun will be the more efficient scorer, and Paolo will be the one that scores at a greater volume. I don't like either player defensively, but it will likely be easier to hide Paolo at the 4 than Sengun at the 5 in the playoffs.

    Paolo to me is a lot like Green prior to the draft. Both are going to be dependent on being able to score a lot and efficiently to be great players. There is a lot of risk in drafting this type of player, IMO.
     
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    A lot more risk when you don’t have the athleticism Green does.
     

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