It's my understanding these types of incidents happened before TSA as well and private security that ran it were very lax. The bigger issue for TSA for me was detaining people for illegitimate reasons. And the no-fly list - a system that penalized people for reasons they could not appeal or ever understand. But I think it's just a very different animal than monitoring foreign disinformation campaigns as an intelligence gathering function. Which is why it belongs in the CIA although that alone shouldn't make much different to anyone. It's public information they are monitoring, not private. And the focus is on foreign entities. I do think the administration has done a poor job articulating the role and function of the new initiative. I also think the right is being ridiculous calling it a "Ministry of Truth"
How so? This is how it's worked throughout history. If you search someone's home you are going to come across information unrelated to that person. How can that be illegal given you have a warrant to search that person's home?
this is not my area so I'd put that question to one of the lawyers here, but . . . here's the Justice Dept's guidelines on computer seizure as well as a summary of selected case law: https://www.justice.gov/file/442111/download https://casetext.com/analysis/search-and-seizure-computers I think the Justice Dept guidelines discuss the idea of the "reasonable expectation of privacy" under the Fourth Amendment that governs these kinds of cases. I haven't read the Justice Dept document, so again this is a bit out of my area
skimming the Justice Dept guidelines, the question may be addressed in the section "Search Incident to a Lawful Arrest"
here's the relevant passage from the Justice Dept: "The permissible temporal scope for a search incident to arrest varies based on whether the item searched is an item 'immediately associated with the person of an arrestee,' such as clothing or a wallet, or other personal property near the arrestee, such as luggage." (p. 31) So if you are talking about "information unrelated to that person," well there you have it again, not my area. I may be wrong
I think that's a different scenario - as in the case we are discussing there is no arrest. If the gov't is listening in to foreign conversations but in that process happens to incidentally pick up communications of American citizens, it can't use that information against US citizens, but it hasn't violated any laws for merely picking it up. It's no different than if you are searching someone's home and accidentally open a box belonging to someone else independent of the warrant. Opening that box isn't a violation. Keeping it would be. The Post article you quoted doesn't paint this board as a ministry of truth. Can you explain why DeSantis is portraying this as trying to control what Americans think? Is he saying that we should let human traffickers free to trap innocent people in scams and protect Russia in spreading disinformation meant to undermine national security? Because that's my understanding of what the intent of the board is - activity that by the way occurred under Trump as well.
you're asking me to read DeSantis's mind? lol. I have no idea what the guy thinks, and I don't follow him. honestly the DeSantis Derangement Syndrome (not you necessarily, but in general) is getting just about as out of hand as TDS
I hear ya but... DeSantis Derangement Syndrome Hunter Biden Derangement Syndrome AOC Derangement Syndrome You feel me? I just feel DeSantis and the right is playing politics with this - blowing up something that is very very likely to be minor into something that they can use as an issue and create fear.
This department won't be making Fox News dumb **** disappear whether Hunter Biden or Obama' birthplace, or CRT elementary school assignments
I legitimately can't tell if he's joking or not. Come to think of it, that was pretty much Trumps entire 2016 campaign strategy.
I've never seen a president operate more as a ministry of truth, and make so many calls on what's fake news disinformation than Donny duck himself.
When the FL gov signed laws and took actions to suppress speech of teachers and companies, it’s fine and oh yea, it’s not really about free speech. When the DHS gov creates a disinformation board to fight disinformation, OMG it’s the end of the world.
Two things. 1. I doubt he is joking 2. I am 100% sure he has no idea what the department's functions are
sure hope the Disinformation Governance Board cracks down on these guys Joe Biden sure looks like he’s lying about Hunter’s biz https://nypost.com/2022/04/30/joe-biden-sure-looks-like-hes-lying-about-hunters-biz/
Turley on the new disinformation czar “Trust Me, I’m [Now] The Government”: Jankowicz Pledges to Protect Free Speech Rights https://jonathanturley.org/2022/04/...ch-rights-that-she-long-dissed-and-dismissed/ excerpt: There is an old fable of a scorpion who wants to cross a river and convinced a hesitant frog to carry him on its back. After all, if he stung the frog in the river, they both would die. That seemed logical so the frog agreed to do so only to have the scorpion deliver a lethal sting halfway across. When the frog asked why the scorpion would doom them both, the scorpion replies: “I am sorry, but I couldn’t resist the urge. It’s in my nature.” The story came to mind this week when the new head of the Disinformation Governance Board, Nina Jankowicz, pledged to protect free speech despite a career dissing and dismissing the right. . . . more at the link
