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[2022 Draft/1-3] Derek Stingley Jr., CB, LSU

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Apr 28, 2022.

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Do you like the selection of Derek Stingley Jr.?

Poll closed Apr 28, 2023.
  1. YES

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  2. NO

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  1. homewight

    homewight Contributing Member

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    I've read in a couple pieces his strength is man to man, and zone is a weakness for him.
     
  2. Newlin

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    So, I’ve had about 12 hours to think about this pick and have seen how the rest of the first round played out. It seems the Texans are taking an unnecessary risk. With the number 3 overall pick and needs all over the field, there was no need to draft a player with a history of injuries and coming off a foot surgery.

    I will have my fingers crossed and of course will be rooting for great success with this pick. But, the number 3 pick should be a no doubt about it slam dunk that you know will be productive for years to come. There are no guarantees with any pick. But, you can avoid players with past serious injury issues to give yourself a better chance of picking a winner.

    There was so much talent still available without the injury questions. So, I guess the Texans really really love this guy and is a perfect fit for their culture.
     
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  3. The Real Shady

    The Real Shady Contributing Member

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    Putting the over/under on when Stingley will request a trade at 3 years. Looks like he may frequent strip clubs and attend late night parties. Not the kind of guy Easterby or Cal wants around.
     
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  4. Rudyc281

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    He is the exact opposite of that

    He’s been training for this moment since he was 3 years old.

    His grandpa and dad all played football

    His dad is a coach

    With Stingley it’s football all the time
     
  5. Verbal Christ

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    Factor in the lack of injury history AND size advantage with a guy like Sauce and its easy to see him transition to safety later in his career. More I dig the more I dislike the Stingley pick.

     
  6. RedIsen

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    Uhhh what makes you say that?
     
  7. R0ck3ts

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    lol guess
     
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  8. deb4rockets

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    Makes me wonder why they liked him so much better to take that risk with their top pick.
     
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  10. rocketlaunch

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    SEC bias
     
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  11. Mashing

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    I don't understand why Caserio would like Stingley (who I like, don't get me wrong) more than Sauce? I wonder if it came down the interview or something (or maybe level of competition)? Also the injury. Seems like a head scratcher..
     
  12. STR8Thugg

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    Bc Derek Stingley is a better football player, and he covered players that actually play in the NFL at a high level.

    The injury "concerns" are completely, completely overblown. Geezus. The kid is 20 years old. He ran a 4.37 post-surgery. He'll be alright.
     
  13. J.R.

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    https://theathletic.com/3279713/202...tar-potential-in-the-back-end-of-the-defense/

    The Houston Texans have needs at every position, but few are as pronounced as the team’s lack of depth at corner. Last season, Houston allowed the league’s 10th highest completion rate (66.5 percent) and the fourth-most yards per attempt (7.95). No one pick can fix this hole, but drafting cornerback Derek Stingley Jr. out of LSU with the No. 3 overall pick in the 2022 NFL Draft is as aggressive of a move as the Texans could make.

    With all of the top offensive linemen still on the board, as well as Oregon edge rusher Kayvon Thibodeaux, Texans GM Nick Caserio decided to make Stingley the first Round 1 choice of his tenure. The cornerback gives the Texans defense something it was sorely lacking in 2021: star potential.

    Big board ranking: Stingley was the No. 14 player on Dane Brugler’s big board and Brugler’s third-ranked corner. Brugler ranked Cincinnati’s Ahmad Gardner and Washington’s Trent McDuffie ahead of Stingley at the position. Gardner went a pick later to the Jets. And Thibodeaux, Brugler’s No. 8 overall player and top available edge rusher at the time, went fifth overall to the Giants.

    Introduction: Stingley arrived at LSU as the No. 1 player in the country out of Baton Rouge and was maybe the best corner in college football as an 18-year-old freshman on a national championship team. He was like an analytical football robot built in a lab — wise beyond his years and physically dominant over his peers. He caused no problems. He was a perfect example. Before Stingley even played a game at LSU, an NFL general manager told the Tigers staff he would be a first-round pick if he declared for the draft that summer. It was widely agreed he’d be the first corner taken if eligible for the 2020 NFL Draft.

    Since then, though, Stingley became a superstar talent surrounded by questions and concerns. He played in just 10 games in his final two seasons at LSU, sidelined by a leg injury and Lisfranc surgery.

    How he fits: Stingley’s 2019 campaign was a showing in expert-level cornerback play, and Houston is betting that level of play will return with good health. He is a dominant defensive back in press man coverage; it’ll be interesting to see whether Lovie Smith is undergoing a schematic change from his soft zone coverage scheme, or banking on Stingley’s ball skills to generate turnovers by jumping routes and playing the quarterback. — Diante Lee

    Second guess? As mentioned above, the gap between the first and second tiers at corner makes it understandable that the Texans used the first of their two first-round picks on the position instead of edge rusher or offensive line. So it really comes down to whether the Texans picked the right corner. Time will tell whether Stingley or Gardner becomes the better pro.

    Rookie impact: The Texans aren’t going to contend in Stingley’s rookie year, but their ideal formula for winning will look similar to last season’s: Protect the ball with a run-heavy offense and force turnovers on defense. Stingley’s ball skills (32 total passes defensed and interceptions in 25 games at LSU) were likely a big selling point for Smith and the Texans.

    Depth-chart impact: Outside of Stingley, the other corners who figure to be at the top of the Texans depth chart are Desmond King, Tavierre Thomas and free agent addition Steven Nelson. If the rookie lives up to his billing, one of those veterans should see playing time dwindle.

    Fast evaluation: In a draft lacking a lot of top-end talent, the Texans are taking a big swing in Stingley. He’s just the second corner in this century to go in the top three, after the Lions took Jeff Okudah out of Ohio State in 2020. If injuries continue to hamper Stingley, as they have for the past two seasons, then this will be an easy pick to second-guess. But a team with a long way to go in a rebuild should be betting on upside at premium positions.
     
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  14. J.R.

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    https://theathletic.com/3271329/2022/04/28/nfl-draft-2022-lsu-cornerback-derek-stingley-jr-texans/

    Before Derek Stingley Jr. had played a single college game, the NFL wanted him. He had turned 18 a few weeks earlier, and at fall camp in 2019 an NFL general manager watched an LSU practice and said, “He’d be a top-10 pick this year.”

    A year later, as LSU had five players picked in the first round, the consensus grew. It was widely believed if Stingley were eligible for the 2020 NFL Draft he’d have been the first cornerback selected. It took two more years, but that first-round NFL expectation has been realized, although the path has not gone as expected.

    Throughout that 2019 season, he was the closest thing to the defensive back version of a can’t-miss teenager often seen in basketball. He was the No. 1 high school recruit in the country and arrived at LSU as a seemingly perfectly-crafted 6-foot, 190-pound starting corner on a national championship team. He was physically advanced beyond his peers to the point LSU strength coach Tommy Moffitt said, “He kinda reminds me of the first impression I had of (Leonard) Fournette. Just physically mature and game-ready.” Stingley started from Day 1, and by LSU’s second game at top-10 foe Texas, he was defending most opponents’ No. 1 receivers. He was dominant, allowing just 6.6 yards per attempt as teams completed just 37 percent of passes directed at him.

    By offseason 2020, he was perhaps the best defensive player in college football. He had Heisman hype, and the No. 1 question was whether then-LSU coach Ed Orgeron would let him play receiver, too.

    Instead, Stingley spent most of the 2020 season injured, playing in just seven games. And most of those seven games involved Stingley playing through quad and ankle injuries. Even with the injuries, he was still an All-American who allowed less than a 40 percent completion rate against him (impressive considering LSU had the worst pass defense in the SEC). Then more injuries meant he played just three games in 2021.

    Drafting Stingley means betting on the ability that, when healthy, could arguably make him the No. 1 player in this entire draft. He has NFL corner size and technique that has been harnessed by his coach of a father since he was in elementary school. Those traits could make him an All-Pro for a decade. The question comes down to availability, but the value may outweigh the risk.

    Dane Brugler on Derek Stingley Jr. (No. 3 CB, No. 14 overall prospect in The Beast)

    A three-year starter at LSU, Stingley played both left and right cornerback for defensive coordinator Daronte Jones, his third coordinator in three seasons. Despite injuries hindering him during the last two seasons, he led the SEC in passes defended and interceptions in LSU’s national championship 2019 season, earning Consensus All-America honors as the first true freshman to start on the Tigers’ defense in 34 years.

    Stingley, who played primarily outside with some slot snaps worked in, is patient in press with the effortless hip fluidity to turn and run vertically or mirror underneath. Although NFL scouts have questioned his toughness in press coverage and as a tackler, he has outstanding on-ball production thanks to his timing and awareness in coverage (allowed only 41.1% completions during his three seasons at LSU). Overall, Stingley needs to stay on the field (missed more games the last two years than he played because of injuries), but he is a top-tier athlete with the man-coverage skills and ball instincts to stay attached on an island. He projects as a Pro Bowl-level NFL starter if he stays healthy.

    Top college highlight

    Perhaps the most informative Stingley performance didn’t involve any interceptions (we could have picked his two-INT game in the 2019 SEC championship against Georgia). It might be his matchup with Collin Johnson at Texas earlier that season. It was Stingley’s second career game, and he was matched up with a top-tier receiver and held him without a catch when guarding him. Watch the first highlight in which he seems to be a step behind, stretches one arm out, uses the one hand to pry the ball out of Johnson’s grasp and then catches up to nearly intercept it. The rest of the video shows him draped over Johnson all night. Stingley didn’t look like a freshman.



    Coachspeak

    Stingley’s legacy at LSU ended in an odd place, as his final two seasons included LSU football falling apart (11-12 record), Orgeron getting fired and Stingley missing time with injuries. His strength coach, Moffitt, said it’s tough to judge him by those two years because of everything around him. “Derek was surrounded by much better talent in 2019. I’m not saying that to take anything away from Derek, but the supporting cast Derek had. That’s the way teams are going to be when he plays in the NFL. They won’t have walk-ons in starting positions.” And though Stingley’s draft stock had fallen because of injuries and questions over his toughness, Moffitt said inside the building there were more things going against Stingley than most realized. “If you were there on a day-to-day basis, you would have been like, ‘Wow, how does this kid hold this together? How does he keep getting up and pulling himself off the ground?’ It was unbelievable.”

    What you may have missed

    In spite of Moffitt’s comments, the primary question about Stingley is his toughness and durability. While those questions are fair, many might not realize how much he played through in 2020. His ankle and quad were injured for most of the year, and he played through it (which made his film look worse). Then, he suffered the Lisfranc injury to his foot early in 2021 training camp. Teammate Andre Anthony and Moffitt both said Stingley refused to get surgery and insisted on playing the first three games with it until it got worse and he was forced to have the operation.
     
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    Yeah, me too. That happened during an era when you were allowed to tee off on defenseless receivers and the Raiders defense revelled in dishing out punishment. Tatum's nickname was "The Assassin" and he was the personification of the label. That one hit defined Tatum's career and there were many who felt that he would have been in the Hall of Fame conversation if not for that tragic incident.
     
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  17. Fulgore

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    Tommy Boy’s wife looking clueless af lol.
     
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  18. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Ok after watching those videos, I am down - he has massive upside, and that is all you can ask for from a top pick.

    Learned my lesson on Green this year, this guy might be our next leader on D, and I like how Lovie is building D first.

    DD
     
  19. Mr.Scarface

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    “because he is Bla….”
     
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  20. Buck Turgidson

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    He embraced that nickname, read the article above.
     

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