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Alarming surge’ in anti-Asian violence across US terrifies community members

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Reeko, Feb 20, 2021.

  1. tinman

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    Yes the school board overreached and said some dumb things.
     
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    But it’s the same thing
    You got two faces pushing their own agenda and thinking it’s good for certain groups and that they will just accept it

    the repeat attacks are mainly the same criminals be set free and doing it over and over again

    On top of that the DA and the police chief don’t agree on things

    the police chief is black and the community affected is Asian

    the DA is corrupt and is on the sides of drug dealers and criminals
    Because gothams elite love drugs
     
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    S Moniker, the debate is on diverse cities in Calif and crimes


    why are you changing the topic of the debate ?

    stay on topic, which is diverse cities and crime
     
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    @rocketsjudoka and @tinman
    are the two members of the justice league here
    who've been consistently posting here

    no time for the riddlers and bizzaros
     
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    I gave you an article which says Stockton is the most diverse city, not just in California, but in all of the United States. I also pointed out that there are different definitions of diversity. One definition, used frequently by one particular ideology, is less white people (and I provided you with examples proving that). By that definition, Stockton is also the most diverse. You provided one counter example that does some sort of strange data manipulation to determine diversity, and claimed by that definition Stockton was not in the top 50 in terms of diversity (which was a lie, Stockton was 23rd on your own list). Stockton consistently has one of the worst crime rates. It is largely driven by the minority population in Stockton. This is not unusual, in the United States black and Hispanic people have significantly higher crime rates (especially violent crime).
     
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    once again, your poor reading comprehension manifests itself

    Stockton has the highest proportion of POC in its population, not necessarily the most diverse.

    eg, Oakland has a more diverse population, altho its proportion of POC is lower.
    affluent / lbgtq / disable folks---across all racial/ethnic groups---- are well-represented in Oakland, not in Stockton​

    you do know that there are poor whites living in Stockton, no?

    you make it sound like there are no poor whites !

    it'd be far-fetch to say Stockton / San Bernardino have the highest proportion of poor whites among Calif cities​
     
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    No, it is not a matter of reading comprehension. I gave you multiple examples of Stockton being the most diverse, including from NPR and US News. You don't like the fact that a diverse city has terrible crime. It goes against the narrative you are trying to push.

    Shockingly, Stockton also has lgbtq, affluent, and disabled people across all racial groups. Also, Oakland has an incredibly high crime rate, so I don't know what point you think you are making,.
    Yes. In fact there is a whole neighborhood that is largely poor whites on the east side of town (called Okieville).

    Mill Valley is one of the least diverse cities in California. It is over 85% white non-Hispanic. You want to use Oakland instead of Stockton as a diverse city, that is fine. Let's compare the two.
    Crime in Oakland, California (CA): murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, burglaries, thefts, auto thefts, arson, law enforcement employees, police officers, crime map (city-data.com)
    Crime in Mill Valley, California (CA): murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, burglaries, thefts, auto thefts, arson, law enforcement employees, police officers, crime map (city-data.com)
    Pleasanton is 83% white or Asian.
    Crime in Pleasanton, California (CA): murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, burglaries, thefts, auto thefts, arson, law enforcement employees, police officers, crime map (city-data.com)
    All three of these are in the San Francisco Bay area. Oakland is over 50% black and Hispanic, 46% white or Asian. Your thesis doesn't hold water. Crime doesn't decrease as diversity increases.
     
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    Houston is the most diverse city in America and it’s got a ton of crime. But it’s way different than Oakland which is losing all its sports teams and is out of control.
    Chinatown Houston is well patrolled by HPD and is relatively safe to dine and shop with.
    meanwhile, since there is a policing issue in Oakland.

    Go to an Astros game in Houston , then take a trip to the bay and ride the BART to the Coliseum at night .
    You tell me why the A’s want to move to Vegas.

    Too short and e-40 and dj quik were right
     
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    the intellectually dishonest one comparing an inner city w a suburb.

    a more apt comparison would be Mill Valley and Irvine, both affuent suburbs;

    Irvine is ~~ 50% white vs.> 85% for Mill Valley. both have extremely low crime rate.
    in these affluent suburbs, the difference in racial diversity has no impact on crime rate
    this emprical evidence runs counter to your convenient claim

    Moniker is unwilling to compare inner cities w inner cities.

    among the 3 largest major metro areas in the US, LA, Chi, NYC, Newark, LA has the most diverse population, and it has the lowest crime rate​
     
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    Oakland is a dump
    Why do you think the warriors left for San Francisco?
    Why does it cost $7 to cross the bridge to San Francisco? Cause everyone doesn’t want to stay in Oakland
    But it’s free to go the other direction
     
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    for the enlightenment of Moniker:

    Racially diverse neighborhoods in diverse areas are linked to lower crime rates


    In new research, Young-An Kim (Asst Professor of Criminology) and James C. Wo ( Asst Professor of Sociology) look at the implications of increasing racial and ethnic diversity in America’s communities on crime.
    Using evidence from Southern California, they tested the effects of racial diversity on neighborhood crime rates, finding that there were fewer violent and property crimes in neighborhood blocks which were more diverse, and especially those in more diverse areas. They attribute this to the greater opportunities created by diverse communities to overcome bias and create social ties and trust across different groups.

    take the case of 2 affluent suburbs in SoCal which border each other; Irvine and Newport Beach.

    Irvine's population is ~ 50% white, ~ 80% for Newport Beach;
    while both affluent suburbs enjoy a very low crime rate, relative to other CA cities, Irvine's is noticeably lower than Newport's.
     
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    LOL. Irvine is 79.9% white or Asian. 2% black and 11% Hispanic. Yes, having a lot of Asian people in a US city tends to have low crime rates as it is the population with the lowest overall crime rate.
    Irvine, California - Wikipedia
    Thanks for inadvertently proving my point. Your own link even says that while racial diversity in a block can reduce crime rates, racial and ethnic diversity in a neighborhood increases crime. What was it you were saying about reading comprehension?
     
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    yet another eg of the intellectual dishonest Moniker--thru sleight of hand---lumping Asians and Whites as one group

    as of 2020, Asians make up 47% of Irvine's population, 38% for white.
    fwiw,
    there is a University of California campus in Irvine, UCI
    the locals refer to it as the University For the Chinese and Indians as, if im not mistaken, >50% of student population are Asians​

    the latest eg of Moniker's poor reading comprehension
     
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    But there are people who's put an intellectually dishonest spin on this
    roflmao, the intellectually dishonest one is lumping Asians and whites as one group.


    for the education of Moniker, Westminster, CA (home of many Asian gangs) has many Asians, it's crime rate is relatively high
     
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    Lots of mask-off moments in this thread...
     
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    I've actually prosecuted an Asian Boyz case (which even involved female members, though sadly they are not referred to as Asian Gurlz). They are big into ecstasy dealing.
    Different racial and ethnic groups have different crime rates. Asians have lower crime rates than white (non-Hispanic) people who have lower crime rates than Hispanics who have lower crime rates than blacks. So, cities that are almost entirely Asian, white non-Hispanic, or a combination of the two tend to have lower crime rates than cities that have more Hispanic and/or black residents. These are just overall trends. It doesn't mean there are no Asian criminals or Asian gangs. It doesn't mean all black people are criminals. It doesn't mean Asians and whites are one group (don't know where you got that when they were both mentioned as separate groups).
     

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