I could be looking at it wrong, but blocking the weak side is not something I value that much. I don't see him as elite defender by himself, I could see him being a critical piece to a great defense because of everything he can do but I still have real questions how he holds up on the perimeter and in ISO situations, he is going to be going up against way better and skilled athletes. Jbari is nothing like Durant because he has zero dribble game, I think Holmgren has a better chance at being a Durant than Smith.
How am I moving the goalpost I am asking a question, I don't understand why you are getting so heated, you provide some good other examples but all of these guys played a lot of centers in small ball lineups, and they are good examples of what Holmgren could do. You people are way too emotional.
Mobley was injured a lot of the time Allen went down. Allen being out actually made his defense struggle a bit. Allen being the cog of the defense allowed Mobley to be a sneak attack at the rim. He did play some spot minutes there but a lot of his blocks came when he was helping. Holmgren likewise will play center occasionally and will be fine. The Rockets played Robert Covington at Center and he was incredible at times. Holmgren's speciality is being a rover and playing this modern free safety type of role. Drew Timme was a slow oaf and Chet constantly was helping him at the rim. He is a special talent and I sincerely believe the only way he will not succeed is through injury which can happen to anyone. So far, Chet has no injury history. Usually him being a little older would be a bad thing. Here it shows that he is still not facing injury concerns at 20. It's a good sign.
LOL I'm being sensitive? I'm not the one trying to prop up on prospect at the expense of another. Here's the hot take if case you forgot: Your assertion that Holmgren can't block shots (therefore can't be impactful) because he might not play center is en fuego. There's been plenty of players in the past 20-30 years who's played the PF position and provided elite defense or, in what you stated, shot blocking ability. Being a weakside and/or help defender is huge in today's game, especially if your backcourt don't have above average defenders. You need a guy that can provide that assistance/help if/when it's needed. I don't have any issue with Banchero so, specific to me, this is not a Chet v Paolo thing--I actually like him now moreso than Jabari. But there's a reason why Chet is rated as the #1 guy on a lot of boards and that's because he played elite defense in college and he's projected to be an elite defender in the NBA. That's not something I or others are assuming or spitballing on here; there are many scouts/journalists that are saying that. If you don't want to believe anyone on this board in regards to Chet's potential on defense, that's cool, but it's not some revelation that CF made up.
When did I ever say that Holmgren could not block shots? Thanks for illustrating my point that some people just focus on anything I say that can be construed as negative and start catching feelings. I never said he can't be impactful on defense either, I just pushed back on him being some deterrent like Gobbert , I since have been given some great examples of him being a great help defender with his shot blocking. Why would I believe what anybody on this board says about Chet when I have watched him myself, is there a board expert I missed? I don't particularly value the block shot in a vacuum and put more value in being able to guard one on one, but I can't deny the value of having a guy who can cover for a lot of others weakness by being a savant defensively like Mobley, maybe Holmgren is that guy. I don't know why some think I hate Holmgren, I just have a lot of questions that I bet even scouts are asking, nobody has ever seen somebody like Holmgren. My biggest question mark for Holmgren defensively is can he hold up one on one on the perimeter, if that's a hot take so be it.
Engaging with that buffoon is pointless. You can knock him over the head with a thousand pounds of facts and his deflection shield and delusional bubble just makes it slide right off of him. There is literally nothing he’s been right on, and when you prove it to him, he just lies. Don’t waste your time
You do understand I did not even bring up Chet or Jabari? My response was strictly about Banchero and strictly about how frequently players improve defensively. You people are strange. I watch a lot of Collegiate ball but I know nothing about the prep game. I have admitted to only seeing a handful of Gonzaga games(7 games), meanwhile there are posters here that have claimed to watch every Gonzaga game all of Chet's intentionally games and a lot of his HS tape. To those people I have asked what about the tougher competition forced him to shoot below 20% from 3? FTs below 60%? What I get is "look at DBPM"... -_- which is laughable because the creator himself claimed it is NOT a good metric. But on top there is no analysis behind it just randomly selecting good players... The same can be done for bad players. -_- Why is Holmgren a 3rd/4th option if he has all this ability to do more? Why is Jabari a 3rd option, why does he not get the ball in close games? Mark Few & Bruce Pearl are two of the best coaches in the game. Surely they would not be like Penny Hardaway, a great recruiter needs work as a coach... We saw Penny try to ask too much of Emoni Bates and subsequently tanked that dude's stock. Again I don't know much about prep just have heard the names Emoni/Holmgren/Bronny/Mikey etc. For years. As such look at images from Chet in high school and images now... The guy is 20 and is obviously struggling to put on weight. Jabari looks significantly different now than he did a year ago. That's a concern for Holmgren... He isn't a soft player but the games I saw he definitely struggled with the physical players... And these weren't NBA dudes just strong UT players. Collegiate programs put ALL. Athletes on nutritional programs and sure with his trajectory he must have already been working on it prior to his year at Gonzaga. It's a concern.
The ability to play a complimentary role or defer to others doesn’t mean you can’t be a primary scorer. That’s a positive imo. That means you’re willing to check your ego for the betterment of the team. Not saying Paolo can’t do that, it just mitigates his strengths. Unfortunately his strength aren’t strong enough to be a primary scorer or facilitator on most teams in the league. His skills might be able to develop to that point but what else does he offer in the mean time?
Do you honestly believe these great coaches would hamper their teams in such a way? As such when their teams struggled for offense why were these two Durant clones not called upon? Few had no problem leaning on Suggs, also a one and done, last year. It's odd. Banchero showed throughout the season he could play different roles. His shot failed him towards the middle and while Roach playmaking failed Banchero took over. He showed he was moldable and he showed leadership.
it makes no sense, period yeah, just like KG is better and more enhanced Capela “Banchero is like Lebron, just take away the athleticism, passing, and all-time feel for the game” lol, ok I know exactly what you’ve said about him…I’ve quoted it word for word, bar for bar…u just like to gaslight
I was at the OSU game... One thing that you might not see from watch this dude on TV... He is LOUD. He does a great job of talking on defense.
Shot blocks come from all over the court, YOU KNOW THIS. And Chet put up crazy shot block numbers in college FROM THE PF SPOT. And weakside rim protection is legit necessary on a team that employs as much switching as Rockets do. The more rim protectors on the floor the better.
THIS^^^^ Enough with the gaslighting regarding Chet's shot blocking not translating to NBA. No one questioned if Mobley's or AD's shot blocking would translate to NBA if they did not play center. It's a BS narrative and agenda driven. It's like QAnon levels right now.
the constant gaslighting has gotta be some new form of trolling Is this what people are now doing in the year 2022?
Few has done this before as well, he believes in his system and for the players to fit into the system. Suggs deferred to Timme as well. That isn’t a knock on Chet. The fact that there was no discernible offensive strategy with Coach K was weird, 4 iso guys and a rim running big. There’s a reason all that talent didn’t do more. Chet in a complimentary role performed just as well as Paolo in a primary scoring role.
John F. Kennedy and Donald J. Trump will be the coach and assistant coach of the Rockets next season. Book it!
“How can he blocks shots if he’s not a center?!” Why is this fool wasting so much space in here...and why are y’all humoring him.
