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Desantis seeks to punish Disney for disagreeing with him

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Mar 31, 2022.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    you mad bro? lol
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    Are you not mad at the attack on free speech?
     
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    If I were Disney, I'd call the bluff and leave Florida. They'll have to do it sometime in the next few decades as climate change makes Florida a dead man walking. Sure, they have a bunch of sunk costs in physical infrastructure but it will only get more expensive to move the longer you wait and the longer you wait the more Florida will look to Disney and other corporations to help fund climate infrastructure. If you're Disney, do you want to be on the hook for higher and higher state taxes to build massive seawalls and relocate cities? Also, high temps and high humidities are not good for humans. If we haven't already, we'll soon start to dread summer more than we did winter back when I was a kid and Florida (and parts of Texas) will be the poster child for that.

    The larger issue is this is yet another example of Republicans just completely forgoing serious government, policy, or any semblance of democracy (no party platform, no longer participating in debates, refusal to be seriously interviewed, refusal to conduct town halls, etc.) in pursuit of power and the use of that power to hurt groups they don't like. Smells like fascism to me. The good news is that even if they are successful, fascism has a short shelf-life in most cultures because it can't engage with reality and reality always asserts itself--so maybe only a decade or a generation or two. Problem is, it does a tremendous amount of damage to humans and institutions in that short time. We either stop it now or we get to relearn some horrific lessons we're in the process of forgetting.

    Of course, it's no accident that we see a rise of global fascism at a time when we need concerted effort across each country and internationally to address climate change. It's an element of predatory delay. We fear change so the economic and political forces that will be hurt by change encourage a revolt against it--but change is coming regardless and if we refuse to confront it and prepare for it, it will be all the more debilitating and the greater impacts will fall on those with the least capacity to cope--which may be a feature instead of a bug if you're a Republican. Or a fascist, but I repeat myself.
     
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    So conservatives need some type of narrative like a company grooming kids for sex like some Hollywood horror thriller to want to raise taxes on corporations and not give them tax breaks.

    On one hand, good on conservatives for finally wanting to end tax breaks for mega corps. But not like this... Not like this.
     
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  6. Amiga

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    Does Disney security force has police and prosecution power? Private security forces are common, but I never heard one with police and prosecution power.
     
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  7. Amiga

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    That outspoken lawyer that he loves to post around here in support of free speech is steaming mad at this through silence.
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    Ah the silent treatment. Very powerful.
     
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    You guys are funny. You know who else is trying to make this out to be a free speech issue? @Sweet Lou 4 2 , e.g., here:

    Only problem is, I don't see the "free speech" issue here. And aside from snide and snarky remarks, nobody has yet explained the free speech angle here. At all. Which tells me people don't really understand the free speech and censorship issues that have been discussed in other threads . . . but that lack of understanding really doesn't surprise me. I don't think people have read any of the genuine free speech/censorship articles I and others have posted, I think people just like reacting with, well . . . snide and snarky remarks.

    So carry on, snide and snarky remark makers!!!
     
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  10. NewRoxFan

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    trump must see desantis as his main rival...

     
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    [/QUOTE]

    The Desantis V Trump clash is only a matter of time now lol. Desantis' moves are clear plays to appeal to Trump's base and steal them away. I predict by the end of the year they will be openly trading insults...well, Trump will.

    It will be interesting to see what Desantis does. If he falls in line when Trump targets him or if he will fight back. There is still a possibility that he just accepts a VP role but...he's a politician. He has to know that the VP role didn't help Pence at all and why settle for VP when the presidency is right there?
     
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    One thing good about this is it exposes faux free speech supporters.
     
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    I expect them to report the news and not report “wins and losses” based on simply shock and awe to get their attention. It’s a self gratifying system but destructive to a functioning government.

    Our system cannot be one that simply rewards governing power to those who simply score attention instead of actually scoring points by governing well.

    Also the “points” for simply getting media attention only is rewarded by the media for republicans. If Kamala Harris was caught on tape saying she wants to bang Putin it would certainly get media attention but the media would be viewing it as a loss when a Republican can Incite hate and bigotry and cost tax payers money and simply getting attention gets the act framed as a win.
     
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  14. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I don't think I've been snide or snarky in my remarks on this. Disney is being punished for political speech - for coming out and saying it supports gay rights. Republicans have admitted this is retaliation for that stance and thus it is clearly a form of censorship since the gov't is trying to intimidate a corporation into not opposing it political stances publicly.

    I haven't seen you counter this argument thus far.
     
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  15. StupidMoniker

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    The free speech issue is obvious. DeSantis is using the Florida government to punish Disney for opposing the Parental Rights in Education law (what the left refers to as the Don't Say Gay law). Government imposed consequences for speaking out against the government is an attack against the very core of free speech.
     
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    If Desantis truly and genuinely has a hard on for grilling all big corporations, then he has my Warren vote.

    Praise Be Mullet Jesus!
    Praise Be Smith & Wesson!
    Praise Be Adam & StEve!
     
  17. dobro1229

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    At the media yes… I’m sick of how our political system is treated like a reality tv show on MTV. For foreigners who get a kick out of watching democracy in the US die I guess it’s entertaining to that extent but here in the US from someone who appreciates a functioning democratic republic yes… it makes me “mad” to see it deteriorate partially because of the media only cares about tv ratings for profit.
     
  18. FranchiseBlade

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    I wasn't being snide or snarky.

    The government is trying to punish a private enterprise because of their voiced opposition to a policy.

    That is pretty much the definition of infringing on freedom of speech. It is certainly much more of an issue than private companies removing people after multiple warnings for breaking the agreed upon terms of service.
     
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    If only it was about reigning in corporate abuse and holding them accountable.
     
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  20. Invisible Fan

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    It's funny he deliberately said this act was punitive to signal to his donors they're safe. It also scored him partisan points because libs torched him for being vindictive.

    Normally a pro-corporatist wouldn't want any interference by their donor lackeys, but hey, all is fair game on the scoreboard.
     
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