Psaki Says "Gender Affirming Care" for Kids Is 'Best Practice'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

 

Oh so you disagree with the framing.

So let's start from the beginning so we are clear and not talking over each other.


Have you ever represented liberals directing an "attack" or harsh criticism in a targeted manner towards an individual that leads to the employers of said individual believing they need to fire said individual because the toxicity created by that targeted criticism is unsustainable for said employer as a form of cancel culture?

If you never have, then I guess you are being logically consistent here.

 

Originally, I hadn't seen much of the stuff except here as well. I originally, like @Haymitch thought it was a humorous collection of videos I could potentially laugh at.

There was a link that I believe that @JayGoogle posted that had detailed a lot of stuff from the account. It was after reading that, I realized that the account wasn't just posting some samples of silliness or over-reactions, it was a collection designed to hate and not tolerate the existence of LGBQ people. Such a focused effort directed at that community that was just purely ugly.

I'm aware that most people have only seen a few examples from it and might be aware of the efforts from that person. I don't fault anyone for not knowing. I think the best anyone can do is make folks aware and let them decide if they will stand with that kind of ugliness and hate or not.

 

that is one long, run-on sentence. I'm not going to try and parse it. Can you try breaking it up into digestible, readable bites?

 

and I really appreciate your adding this. I honestly don't have enough familiarity with this aspect of the subject or the libsoftictok website

 

Have you ever labeled targeted harassment and criticism on social media by liberals towards individual people as "cancel culture"?

 

not sure I have. I'm sure if I've done that here, it should be pretty easy to find examples of it using the search function. Type in "cancel culture" and posts by member "os Trigonum" and click the "search this forum only" box

 

That's okay. I'll trust your word. So you are logically consistent here. Awesome.

 

If you look earlier in the thread I was arguing with aroundtheworld with this stuff...or was it another thread? It was about LoTT suspension. In the tweet he posted LoTT was literally doxxing one of the teachers lol. If you opened up the replies you would have seen people going back and forth about the teacher's information and LoTT was in those replies helping out. I'm surprised that account hasn't been permanently banned and she is lucky someone didn't carry out one of those death threats they sent to teachers.

Before that I too thought it was just a comedy account but after seeing that and some digging...well, I wasn't at all surprised someone reported on it.

Honestly, at this point I feel it is dishonest or intentional ignorance to ignore what the account does. It really isn't all that hard to find or there isn't much digging to do. There has now been an entire article written about it and in this thread I've posted several tweets now where LoTT explicitly does this. The last post included a tweet where it does exactly this. Here is a teacher...here is where they work.

This is about as clear of a case for 'cancel culture' as there has ever been.

 

I think it's pretty clear that's her objective - they target individuals and her aim is to put pressure on those administrators to take action. Given that they celebrate their success it's fair to say. Also, given what they are saying is often false, it constitutes libel.

So in this case, are you not concerned that the "Boards of Education, school principals, and school superintendents" are firing teachers for their opinions?

 

Look, I think I've said plenty of times that my wife is an employment attorney with 35 years of experience working at our university on H.R. and employment issues.

Terminations are NEVER about the things that get represented in the press. At this point I could probably go back and give you fifty examples of people fired by our university for one thing, and the reporting on those fifty terminations focusing on something completely different than the actual cause of termination.

I don't believe that ANYONE here can confidently or accurately say what anybody has been fired for in connection with anything put out by libsoftiktok. THIS IS NOT A DEFENSE OF LIBSOFTIKTOK, this is simply an assertion of what I believe is a fact.

This is also not to deny that libsoftiktok has acted in bad and bullying and threatening ways. I have absolutely NO opinion, however, on that issue, because again as I have said I have not followed this issue at all. It's fascinating to me that people here are so passionate about it. When I get time, perhaps over the weekend, I'll try to get more up to speed on the issue to have a more informed opinion on it.

So . . . back to your question: "are you not concerned that the "Boards of Education, school principals, and school superintendents" are firing teachers for their opinions?"

Answer: I do not believe you have the background knowledge or evidence in hand to say that teachers are being fired "for their opinions". Give me a specific example where a teacher claims that that was the reason given for a termination, and then we can discuss that specific example. I caution you, however, that the version a terminated employee puts out in the press and in the world is usually quite different from the version an employer would give, IF an employer would give the version. But employers don't do this, again because personnel decisions including terminations are confidential.

 

You were passionate about professors being able to tell their students their ethnicity is bad for the country.

Just odd things to be passionate about.

Anyways it seems like you only debate "meta" topics about speech only when it negatively effects a certain ideological and political affiliation.

I think it's a way for the right wing to deflect from actual sincerely important issues like wealth inequality. Create these wedge issue topics about "woke" this and "woke" that and b**** about professors not having their right to say Nazi like rhetoric to their students. It's a great way to avoid actual pressing issues that matter.

 

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about or what you are referring to. Please refresh my memory.

 

While I would concur on any individual case, given the number of teachers fired, and that libsoftiktok and others are claiming victory for their firings - it's not my opinion - but the ones orchestrating the attacks that are claiming success.

Furthermore these teachers are getting death threats by the followers of libsoftiktoc.

 

You probably do. That thread about professors' free speech and a professor explaining how Asians are bad for America.

You aren't that old right? Like it's too early for you have early signs of Alzheimer's right? Probably should get that checked out.

 

I have no idea what you are talking about; nor do I have any idea how an article about "a professor explaining how Asians are bad for America" is somehow an example of MY saying "how Asians are bad for America."

I'm going to stop engaging with you now, I think, unless you want to provide the example you're talking about.

 

I think @Os Trigonum point is that he never labeled something as cancel culture until someone was fired. I'm pretty sure he's never done that right os?

Like he would never label targeted harassment from one political spectrum towards an individual on social media as cancel culture until the actual individual was fired from their gig or job. Os would never.

 

Of course you would never say that. You would just label students outraged that their professor thinks their ethnicity is bad for America and not wanting that professor to dictate their grades because they believe said professor cannot be a objective arbiter of their work in said classroom as a form of suppression of free speech.

 

Another post that makes the claim that all LoTT does is repost stuff...



"All she does is just repost stuff and nothing else!"