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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    the weak attempts at ad hominem attacks fail
     
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    It's why the Twitter pictures of gatherings with unmasked celebrities or politicians among masked waiters/servers were effective of conveying that message.

    Even if that was the established rule, the whole situation was a ****ing joke.
     
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    Yes, I agree with all you are saying. It's just that we should be smarter today than we were back then. And also, we know that the current variants plus effect of the vaccines mean that Covid is much less dangerous, but some people still don't want to let go of their fear (mongering).
     
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    https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/t...paign=trump-judge-tosses-airline-mask-mandate

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    When I saw the report last yesterday afternoon, I immediately Googled to see whether Mizelle was a Trump appointee and among the first things I came upon was a tweet from former NYT reporter Stephen Greenhouse noting, “The judge who voided the national airline mask mandate is Kathryn Kimball Mizelle—35 years old, member of the Federalist Society & former law clerk for Clarence Thomas. Trump nominated her in 2020 & the Senate confirmed her on Nov 18, 2020—after Trump lost.” Indeed, she was 33 at the time of her confirmation and was rated “not qualified” by the American Bar Association for “the short time she has actually practiced law and her lack of meaningful trial experience.”

    Obviously, that doesn’t invalidate the ruling or even necessarily mean she got it wrong. But it certainly raises a red flag—especially when paired with the tendentious language about “detention” and the claim that masks don’t sanitize anything.

    Then again, the fact that the administration immediately dropped the masking requirement rather than seeking an emergency stay from a higher court would seem an indication that they think the ruling will stand. While Mizelle’s parsing of the words of a 1944 statute is certainly debatable, she’s almost certainly right that the requirements of the Administrative Procedures Act—which was used to strike down countless Trump executive orders—were not met. And while emergency authority is sometimes assumed, there has been plenty of time to implement non-emergency procedures at this point. [UPDATE: Having scanned the decision itself, I find it much more reasonable and persuasive than the excerpts in the various media reports suggest. In particular, the statute in question is quite narrow and has been “rarely invoked” and never previously in such a fashion. I think it’s quite likely that this ruling survives appellate scrutiny.]
    more at the link
     
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    LOL at this argument. Bad faith argument as reached the federal court.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/202...lorida-judge-vacates-cdc-travel-mask-mandate/

    Cleansing argument

    In her 59-page ruling that single-handedly vacated the federal mandate, Mizelle's argument hinged, in part, on a definition of the word "sanitation" from the 1940s.

    In issuing the mask mandate, the CDC drew upon the Public Health Services Act (PHSA) of 1944. Mizelle zoomed in on one particular sentence that reads: "For purposes of carrying out and enforcing such regulations, the [CDC] may provide for such inspection, fumigation, disinfection, sanitation, pest extermination, destruction of animals or articles found to be so infected or contaminated as to be sources of dangerous infection to human beings, and other measures, as in [the Secretary of Health and Human Services'] judgment may be necessary." [emphasis added]

    The CDC has straightforwardly interpreted "sanitation" and "other measures" to include masking because masks promote "sanitation" as it's currently defined: "the promotion of hygiene and prevention of disease by maintenance of sanitary conditions." However, Mizelle sought a definition of "sanitation" from around 1944, when the PHSA was drafted. She referenced the 1946 edition of Funk & Wagnalls New Standard Dictionary, which defined sanitation as "the removal or neutralization of elements injurious to health." She dubiously argued that the PHSA's use of "sanitation" was intended to mean "active cleaning."

    The PHSA's context, she wrote, "indicates that 'sanitation' and 'other measures' refer to measures that clean something, not ones that keep something clean. Wearing a mask cleans nothing," she argued. "At most, it traps virus droplets. But it neither 'sanitizes' the person wearing the mask nor 'sanitizes' the conveyance."

    Despite the obvious counter-argument that a mask cleans exhaled air by trapping and thus removing virus droplets injurious to health, she concludes that the mask mandate "falls outside" the scope of the PHSA.
     
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    COVID denialists are a special brand of evil.
     
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    Do masks work more than 0% of the time?
     
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    I went to the snoop dogg concert in round rock a few weeks back

    I can confirm snoop, ice cube, too short and e-40 didn’t wear masks

    they are from California
    Like Tupac

    i bet the d&d doesn’t know this
    @Reeko

     
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