Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

mdrowe00 · Apr 8, 2022

No Worries said: ↑

Really? This is laughably weak. Everybody who made it inside the Capitol that day knew that they were trespassing. That was the point.

I guess a lawyer could play the my client is as dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks card. But ...

Ignorance of the Law Is Not an Excuse

If you are unaware you are breaking a law, should you be held accountable? In general, the law says yes.

The legal principle of ignorantia juris non excusat (ignorance of the law excuses not) or ignorantia legis neminem excusat (ignorance of law excuses no one) is derived from Roman law. Essentially, it means that if someone breaks the law, he or she is still liable even if they had no knowledge of the law being broken.

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...so...just to see if I'm following along here:

...since it's being said now that the Jan. 6th insurrectionists were let into the capital building (invited in, even), by police officers...

...(something that any officer that did that should be held accountable for, mind you...and there were more than a few of them who did...and we've all heard alot of excuses tendered about how that action or inaction might have saved lives that weren't really threatened by law enforcement in the first place, given the apoplectic protesters' behaviors for the duration)...

...is it okay to then assume that the insurrectionists were within whatever rights they had to start beating the hell out of any officers they encountered that DIDN'T give them free access to the capitol?

...I mean, 'cause that's exactly what a bunch of them did, too...

Ignorance might be bliss (or the next best thing for the categorically stupid)...but in this case, it's just as likely a felony charge too...

Invisible Fan · Apr 8, 2022

No Worries said: ↑

Really? This is laughably weak. Everybody who made it inside the Capitol that day knew that they were trespassing. That was the point.

I guess a lawyer could play the my client is as dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks card. But ...

Ignorance of the Law Is Not an Excuse

If you are unaware you are breaking a law, should you be held accountable? In general, the law says yes.

The legal principle of ignorantia juris non excusat (ignorance of the law excuses not) or ignorantia legis neminem excusat (ignorance of law excuses no one) is derived from Roman law. Essentially, it means that if someone breaks the law, he or she is still liable even if they had no knowledge of the law being broken.

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The policeman welcomed us as liberaturs!!!

They even said, "Give pelosi a good slap for me", so we tried!!!

Biggest regrat: Not hanging that cuck Mike Pence.

rocketsjudoka · Apr 9, 2022

mdrowe00 said: ↑

...so...just to see if I'm following along here:

...since it's being said now that the Jan. 6th insurrectionists were let into the capital building (invited in, even), by police officers...

...(something that any officer that did that should be held accountable for, mind you...and there were more than a few of them who did...and we've all heard alot of excuses tendered about how that action or inaction might have save lives that weren't really threatened by law enforecment in the first place, given the apoplectic protesters' behaviors for the duration)...

...is it okay to then assume that the insurrectionists were within whatever rights they had to start beating the hell out of any officers they encountered that DIDN'T give them free access to the capitol?

...I mean, 'cause that's exactly what a bunch of them did, too...

Ignorance might be bliss (or the next bestthing for the categorically stupid)...but in this case, it's just as likely a felony charge too...
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Yes there have been a lot of reports of Capitol LEO sympathizing with the rioters. If any of them aided them, and I would say opening doors and allowing them to come in would be aiding. Should be held accountable.

It's one of the reasons why I was very critical of Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey when he abandoned the Third Precinct. At that point he was tacitly aiding and encouraging the rioters.

Agent94 · Apr 10, 2022

Agent94 · Apr 10, 2022

Proud Boy leader pleads guilty to Jan. 6 conspiracy, agrees to cooperate with DOJ

“Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power," the statement of offense reads, which Donohoe testified under oath in court was correct and accurate. "Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."

bobrek · Apr 10, 2022

Agent94 said: ↑

Proud Boy leader pleads guilty to Jan. 6 conspiracy, agrees to cooperate with DOJ

“Donohoe believed that storming the Capitol would achieve the group's goal of stopping the government from carrying out the transfer of presidential power," the statement of offense reads, which Donohoe testified under oath in court was correct and accurate. "Donohoe understood that storming the Capitol would be illegal."
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But...I was told this was just some

NewRoxFan · Apr 11, 2022

He had pled guilty...

Former Rocky Mount police officer found guilty on all Capitol riot charges

On Monday evening, the jury found him guilty of all charges based on his actions during the Jan. 6 U.S. Capitol riots. Robertson was found guilty of the following: Obstruction of an official proceeding and aiding and abetting; Civil disorder and aiding and abetting; Entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds; Disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds; Disorderly conduct in a Capitol building; Obstruction of an official proceeding and aiding and abetting
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https://www.wsls.com/news/local/202...cer-found-guilty-on-all-capitol-riot-charges/

Former police officer pleads guilty for involvement in Capitol riot

According to court documents, 30-year-old Jacob Fracker of Rocky Mount admitted that by the time he entered the Capitol, he agreed to attempt to impede, stop, or delay the proceedings going on before Congress. He faces up to five years in prison. U.S. Attorney Christopher R. Kavanaugh released the following statement on the guilty plea: “On the morning of January 6, 2021, two off-duty police officers with the Rocky Mount Police Department traveled from the Western District of Virginia to Washington, D.C., where they donned gas masks and sought to stop the joint session of the U.S. Congress in the process of counting electoral votes related to the presidential election, a necessary precondition to the peaceful transfer of power. Today, one of those police officers pled guilty to a felony conspiracy charge and accepted responsibility in United States District Court in Washington, D.C. I am grateful for the tireless work of the Assistant United States Attorneys and the agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Washington and Richmond Field Offices who investigated and prosecuted this case and obtained this just result.”
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https://www.whsv.com/2022/03/18/former-police-officer-pleads-guilty-involvement-capitol-riot/

NewRoxFan · Apr 12, 2022

NewRoxFan · Apr 14, 2022

Man Blaming Trump's 'Orders' for Riot Actions Awaits Verdict
A federal jury has begun deliberating in the trial of an Ohio man who testified that he was following orders from then-President Donald Trump when he stormed the U.S. Capitol last year.

Jurors heard attorneys' closing arguments in the trial of Dustin Byron Thompson, who is charged with obstructing Congress from certifying President Joe Biden’s 2020 electoral victory and stealing a coat rack from a Capitol office during the riot on Jan. 6 of last year. Thompson, 38, of Columbus, Ohio, is the fifth defendant to be tried among hundreds of Capitol riot cases. He is the first to mount a defense blaming Trump and members of the president's inner circle for the insurrection. Assistant U.S. Attorney William Dreher said that Thompson, a college-educated exterminator who lost his job during the COVID-19 pandemic, knew he was breaking the law when he joined the mob that attacked the Capitol and, in his case, looted the Senate parliamentarian’s office. The prosecutor told jurors that Thompson's lawyer "wants you to think you have to choose between President Trump and his client.”
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“You don't have to choose because this is not President Trump's trial. This is the trial for Dustin Thompson because of what he did at the Capitol on the afternoon on Jan. 6," Dreher said. Defense attorney Samuel Shamansky said Thompson hasn't avoided taking responsibility for his conduct that day. “This shameful chapter in our history is all on TV,” Shamansky told jurors. But he said Thompson, unemployed and consumed by a steady diet of conspiracy theories, was vulnerable to Trump's lies about a stolen election. He described Thompson as a “pawn” and Trump as a “gangster” who abused his power to manipulate supporters. “The vulnerable are seduced by the strong, and that's what happened here,” Shamansky said.
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https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...trumps-orders-for-riot-actions-awaits-verdict

NewRoxFan · Apr 14, 2022

Ouch..."I think our democracy is in trouble because unfortunately we have charlatans like our former president who doen’st in my view really care about democracy but only about power."

Os Trigonum · Apr 14, 2022

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Ouch..."I think our democracy is in trouble because unfortunately we have charlatans like our former president who doen’st in my view really care about democracy but only about power."

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dude's been reading WAY too much dadakota and deb4rockets

SamFisher · Apr 15, 2022

Nothing to see here, just Congressmen admitting they're trying to attempt violent overthrow of the government before their mob did it.

NewRoxFan · Apr 15, 2022

SamFisher said: ↑

Nothing to see here, just Congressmen admitting they're trying to attempt violent overthrow of the government before their mob did it.
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For those that are uncomfortable reading CNN, here are the test messages in question...

The texts, which have not been previously reported, were sent by Republican Sen. Mike Lee of Utah and GOP Rep. Chip Roy of Texas to then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows. The text exchanges show that both members of Congress initially supported legal challenges to the election but ultimately came to sour on the effort and the tactics deployed by Trump and his team. "We're driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic," Roy texted Meadows on January 1. That text was first released in December by the House select committee and described as being written by a House Freedom Caucus member. Roy's authorship has not been previously reported.
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Also on November 7, Roy wrote to Meadows, "We need ammo. We need fraud examples. We need it this weekend."
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Over a few days in November, Lee lobbied Meadows to get attorney Sidney Powell access to Trump. "Sydney Powell is saying that she needs to get in to see the president, but she's being kept away from him," Lee wrote to Meadows on November 7. "Apparently she has a strategy to keep things alive and put several states back in play. Can you help get her in?" Lee then sent Meadows Powell's cell number and her email.
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Then congressman roy started getting cold feet... and you can feel the "Oh sh*t" realization...

"Hey brother - we need substance or people are going to break," Roy texted on November 19, a few hours after the news conference wrapped. Two hours later, Lee texted Meadows with serious concerns, saying he was "worried about the Powell press conference." Lee told Meadows, "The potential defamation liability for the president is significant here. "For the campaign and for the president personally. "Unless Powell can back up everything she said, which I kind of doubt she can." Meadows responded, "I agree. Very concerned."
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By late November, Lee had shifted away from Powell and started promoting right-wing lawyer John Eastman, who a federal judge in California said last month may have been planning a crime with Trump as they sought to disrupt the January 6 congressional certification of the presidential election, calling it "a coup in search of a legal theory." Privately Roy was also texting Meadows with support for Eastman, and criticizing Giuliani. "Have you talked to John Eastman?" Roy texted on November 22. "Get Eastman to file in front of pa board of elections... "Get data in front of public domain. "Frigging rudy needs to hush."
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On December 16, Lee asked Meadows for guidance: "If you want senators to object, we need to hear from you on that ideally getting some guidance on what arguments to raise. "I think we're now passed the point where we can expect anyone will do it without some direction and a strong evidentiary argument." On December 31 Roy expressed even more concern in a text to Meadows. "The president should call everyone off. It's the only path. If we substitute the will of states through electors with a vote by congress every 4 years... we have destroyed the electoral college... Respectfully," Roy wrote.
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In a January 3 text to Meadows, Lee argued that Trump's effort to have states send alternate slates of electors to Congress was not legitimate. "I only know that this will end badly for the President unless we have the Constitution on our side," Lee texted in a note to Meadows. "And unless these states submit new slates of Trump electors pursuant to state law, we do not," Lee wrote to Meadows. As CNN has previously reported, the plan to replace authentic electors with fake ones in a handful of swing states was orchestrated by allies of the former President and overseen by his then-attorney Giuliani.
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NewRoxFan · Apr 15, 2022

"Seeking truth, acting in defense of the Constitution"...

The texts, which have not been previously reported, were sent by Republican Sen. Mike Lee of Utah and GOP Rep. Chip Roy of Texas to then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows. The text exchanges show that both members of Congress initially supported legal challenges to the election but ultimately came to sour on the effort and the tactics deployed by Trump and his team. "We're driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic," Roy texted Meadows on January 1. That text was first released in December by the House select committee and described as being written by a House Freedom Caucus member. Roy's authorship has not been previously reported.
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Also on November 7, Roy wrote to Meadows, "We need ammo. We need fraud examples. We need it this weekend."
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NewRoxFan · Apr 15, 2022

NewRoxFan · Apr 15, 2022

mike lee, lie? Noooooo...

deb4rockets · Apr 15, 2022

Os Trigonum said: ↑

dude's been reading WAY too much dadakota and deb4rockets
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At least I'm not one of those who actually supports a compulsive lying pig like Trump for President. Actually pigs are smart, so remove pig from that sentence and insert con.

mdrowe00 · Apr 15, 2022

deb4rockets said: ↑

At least I'm not one of those who actually supports a compulsive lying pig like Trump for President. Actually pigs are smart, so remove pig from that sentence and insert con.
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Oink! Oink!

Agent94 · Apr 16, 2022

The amazing thing is that in normal times Roy and Lee would hold a press conference and say "we did the right thing and asked Trump to back down."
Now they are no comment, "the texts speak for themselves." They are afraid to not endorse the big lie and the coup attempt.

B-Bob · Apr 16, 2022

Os Trigonum said: ↑

dude's been reading WAY too much dadakota and deb4rockets
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What part of the judge's statement would you dispute? Actually seems kinda bland and empirical, given all evidence.

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