Patrick Lyoya Shooting by Grand Rapids Police Officer

I was surprised that I had not seen a thread about this. It's horrible. Why does this crap keep happening.

 

Another avoidable tragedy.

 

So he ran?

 

I was at a food market in Frankfurt years ago, sitting in a beer tent overlooking the street. A cop pulled over a car right below us, and the guy immediately got out of his car and started yelling in the cop's face...like manager vs. umpire stuff. The cop didn't bat an eye and wrote up the ticket. Absolute culture shock.

 

Cops very, very rarely use guns in Europe. Power trips - while they do happen - also seem to be more rare.

 

Poor policing and bad judgment by people.

 

bodycam video shows lyoya grabbing at the cops taser while the cop is on top of him.

in that case the cops actions might be justified.

 

in my experience cops in europe were actually nice and helpful.

not the case in america.

 

I saw this. Pretty sad that some individuals can't make better judgment calls. It was a faulty license plate. Why not just let him run, get the VIN of the car, and do an investigation where you can go arrest the guy later. He shouldn't have to lose his life, even if he resisted arrest and ran. Geez.

 

I see what you are saying .

but I was just thinking ... with the reputation the police have built up , its a compounding issue at this point .

I would have fear around a police officer . I’m a generally jumpy person . How smart of an idea is it to arm a small group of the population and have them get into situations where people for lack of a better phrase “get themselves shot”

I have faith that 99.99% even with an aggressive officer with prejudice .. if the subject in question is calm and moves slow and displays submissiveness.. they won’t get shot (now maybe wrongly arrested , but that’s a different issue) . But the problem is natural and it is fear .

* I haven’t watched the video , just saying in general .

The police officer in question usually exhibits heightened stress as well and well , they are trained to defend themselves first .

My friend and I always sadly joke , it seems like a police officers job isn’t to serve and protect their community and enforce laws ... it’s to “come home to my family at night “

citizen and police need a mindset change and an equipment change

 

that cellphone video was trash…90% of the video was nothing but sidewalk

 

Agreed. For self-protection, I wouldn't resist or run or anything like that either, though.

 

I agree, but one of the parties should be held to a higher standard, which should be cops.

Situation sucks, especially when the suspect here got a hold of the officer's taser, but it didn't have to get this far if you would of just let him run. Hell, there was someone else in the car, hold them until they provide you information on the suspect. This cop definitely had options and well, one bad decision from the suspect led to several bad decisions from the cop.

 

I think it was more of a reaction to self-preservation than trying to do anything to the cop. Not saying you're wrong. But what @ElPigto said is right. Why pursue at that point? You have the car and can do your investigation. Find they guy later as you now have fingerprints and other evidence as well. No reason to create a situation where someone had to die.

 

Point blank to the back of the head.

 

How do you get the VIN if the plate is wrong? Criminals often steal plates to go unidentified/unregistered.

NVM: I get what you're saying. Lyoya already exited the vehicle and left. You're suggesting the cop disengage at that point.

 

Yes sir.

 

That policy could be problematic since you're letting a suspect escape to possibly hole up somewhere else and arm himself, potentially endangering others.

A car with improper identification is already a red flag for other illegal activity. I think law enforcement detaining these suspects at the time of the traffic stop is the best scenario.

 

If I'm an LEO, I am willing to take my chances rather than have an unnecessary confrontation where I don't even have back up. Personally, I think our officers should be trained better to make critical decisions in high pressure situations. An individual ended up dead here and an officer's life/career is possibly ruined. All for what, because he was trigger happy and was caught up in the emotion of the moment?

I don't think these guys have to play super heroes if the situation does not warrant that kind of behavior.