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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by finsraider, Mar 17, 2022.

  1. cmoak1982

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    Lol, no one is worked up besides you.
    When you resort to lying to prop up your crush, you know you’ve lost.
    The good thing is when we draft Chet or Jabari and you’re upset, that’s a win. You’re wrong so much that it’s a positive for the franchise
     
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    He won’t believe you. He will find something to lie about to denigrate Chet and over inflate Paolo
     
  3. jiggyfly

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    You know that Banchero played with a guy who averaged almost 8 rebounds a game himself who almost never left the paint right?

    Are you trying to say Banchero is not good at rebounding or that percentage difference is not because of what Banchero and Holmgren were asked to do?

    Yes Holmgren is a better rebounder than Banchero, but I have never said otherwise, and I certainly never said Banchero was anywhere near Holmgren defensively, so I don't know why you created that straw man.
     
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    Chet played next to Drew Timme who averaged 6.8 to Mark Williams 7.4. Saying nearly 8 shows how disingenuous you are. .6 difference. I watched every Duke game and every Gonzaga game, I know who they played with. You are so aggressive man, just be nicer.
     
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    LOl I'm the one with the crush.

    The fact that you thinking I am upset gives you a win should let you know you are severely lacking something from your life.

    I will not respond to you anymore because you are now hijacking the thread, coming after me.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. cmoak1982

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    Not only are constantly wrong, you’re delusional as well.
    How many more posts today? You need help
     
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    I have seen Ivey lock down players on defense... he is inconsistent. He has all the tools to be a good defensive player.

    I am confident that if Ivey gives effort, he will be a good defender.
     
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    Green absolutely is good enough to be a ball dominant primary scorer, if he isn't an elite scorer than yes his value would fall through the floor.

    Banchero doesn't have a proven jump shot, he isn't an elite lob threat, and he's so far been meh defensively. What exactly is he doing without the ball to separate himself from a million other players? People who think Banchero should go number one seem to put, in my opinion, far too much value in playmaking skills from a non ball dominant player.
     
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    What did I say that was more aggressive than you?

    The point was banchero played with a true center whose job was to protect the paint and rebound and he still led the team in rebounding, while That was Chets job defensively yet he only rebounded about 1.5 more rebounds.

    Which explains the TRB% they are both very good rebounders I don't even know what point you are trying to make?
     
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  10. Nook

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    Ivey, Holmgren and Smith have the upside of being good on both sides of the court....... so it isn't really an absolute.

    Banchero doesn't have the upside of being a good defender, but he is a good shot creator for an inside player.

    In order to win in the NBA a team needs to be a top 8 team in offense and defense historically.
     
  11. jiggyfly

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    I never said Green could not be a ball dominant primary scorer, I don't even know what that has to do with the conversation.

    Banchero does have a proven jump shot, its not great or elite but you are not going to leave him open and double somebody else.

    What exactly is Green doing without the ball to separate himself from a million other players?

    I can ask the same question of Smith Ivey or Holmgren offensively and Banchero rebounds at a very high level.

    The thing is, Banchero is more dangerous than those 2 with the ball in his hands because he can score from all 3 levels and playmake.

    The thing is, you cannot even call him selfish or ball dominant, so I really don't understand what you are trying to say.
     
  12. cmoak1982

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    TRB% is how many rebounds they get to when on the court
    Timme-12.8%
    Paolo-13.2%
    Williams-17.5%
    Chet-19.8%

    Paolo is an average rebounder
     
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    Jalen's surge towards the end of the year has really eased off the pressure of this draft. The hardest part is done, now just need complementary pieces around him. At 5th the Rockets can draft Chet, Paolo, Jabari, Ivey or Sharpe. Of those only really Ivey, Sharpe or Paolo have the tools to be a solid #1 option. Luckily for these Rockets they don't need to draft that guy because they have that guy. Even if they do, the pressure is totally off of them (unlike what Jalen had to endure this year) due to the other players on this team.

    These are the 5. If at 5 then draft whichever is left. If we get a Top 4 pick then draft whichever is the most talented on the board.

    I'm pretty pleased here. Like I was last year. Last year was just give me a Top 3 pick and we get either Cade, Green or Mobley. That happened. This year just give me a Top 5 pick and I'm good. And it happened. Just don't draft a role player with the pick.
     
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    I agree that neither of them have a mamba mentality, but I don't think that they need to.

    They can still average over 20 points a night in their prime because of their athleticism, size and ability to shoot the ball.

    I am reminded of what Mike D'Antoni said...... he said that the worst thing on a team is having a franchise player that is inefficient, that it is the one thing he has not figured out how to coach around.

    The league has changed a lot.... Kobe would even be a bit of a dinosaur in the league now.
     
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    He is good shot creator period, and you can get a top 8 team in offense and defense in different ways.

    I also don't see why Banchero does not have the upside to be a "good" defender others have done it with his physical tools.
     
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    Name one team where Paolo would be the primary ball handler/playmaker.

    Name a team where he would even be the main secondary guy.
     
  17. jiggyfly

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    Yeah in today's game Kobe would be seen as a chucker and would probably alienate most around him.
     
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    Name anybody that said he would be the primary ball handler/playmaker in the NBA?

    Keep creating those strawmen.
     
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    You have said multiple times that he’s Lebron and can be a secondary playmaker.

    Name one team
     
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    I have said multiple times he is LeBron 1.0 that means a lesser LeBron who cannot do everything LeBron does at that high a level but can give you maybe 70% or more of that offensively.

    Don't twist my words.

    And even then I never said he could be the primary playmaker which you just admitted to.

    So you don't think he could be a 2nd playmaker on the Rockets?
     

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