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Trump was 100 % right on this one

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Apr 13, 2022.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Go find a forum about GERMANY - and b**** there.

    DD
     
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    Except that this is not just a Germany issue. If Germany had listened to the US government warnings and pleas, I don't think Russia would have started waging war in Ukraine. It affects the entire world.

    But thanks for your kind advice.
     
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  4. DaDakota

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    It is a German issue, Trump said nothing everyone didn't already know.....

    DD
     
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    Do you understand how much money Germany has pumped into Putin's kleptocracy over the last decade or so? He wouldn't even have had the money to build this army...Russia doesn't really have much of an economy - gas and oil, gas and oil.
     
  6. Os Trigonum

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    the West is still funding Putin's war, whether it's Germany or the U.S.

    http://theglitteringeye.com/are-the-sanctions-working/

    Are the Sanctions Working?
    Dave Schuler April 10, 2022

    I guess that depends on your operative definition of “working”. Russia has not withdrawn from Ukraine. The Russian economy hasn’t collapsed. The Russian people haven’t risen up and overthrown Vladimir Putin. If this op-ed by Kevin T. Dugan at MSN’s Intelligencer is to be credited, they aren’t accomplishing much at all:

    Anecdotally, the pressure seems to be diffuse and hard to pinpoint: A Moscow resident I’ve known since well before the war told me over Telegram that grocery stores were full of food and mostly 5 to 10 percent more expensive; diesel gas prices were 53.59 rubles a liter, or roughly equivalent to $2.70 a gallon — cheaper than just about everywhere in the U.S.; and luxury-goods retailers on Tretyakovsky Proyezd, Moscow’s equivalent to Rodeo Drive, are still apparently selling clothes and handbags on the down low to some of their most prized customers, thanks in part to the government blessing the gray market in upscale goods. Russian President Vladimir Putin has called sanctions a “declaration of war” — and perhaps it is, but it has also been a propaganda boon for the Kremlin as it escalates its war in Ukraine.

    Remember, Russia was prepared for this. As one of the world’s largest economies — with a gross domestic product of around $1.8 trillion — Putin has leveraged the country’s most important asset, its oil and natural gas reserves, so that countries like Germany are more reliant on it than ever. But it’s not just that the rest of world was caught flat-footed. According to Columbia University economist Adam Tooze, the Russian budget had been engineered prior to the invasion to balance out if the price of oil fell to $44 a barrel, meaning that it’s been able to sock away a ton of money. Ever since 2014, when Putin faced Western sanctions for the annexation of Crimea, more of Russia’s goods have been produced domestically and debts were restructured to be paid in the local currency. In its run-up to war, Russia effectively removed itself from the global system where it was spending while further entangling its neighbors that were giving it money, and given the country’s size and power, made it difficult for the world to reverse course.

    Contrary to the imputed objectives, Russia has not been shut out of the financial system and has not been isolated. And this is a critical point:

    If you want to to see how the West is undermining its own sanctions, look no further than Russia’s oil and gas sales. Those deals, negotiated prior to the war, are in dollars and euros. While Putin has previously tried to get “unfriendly” countries to pay for the energy in rubles, that hasn’t really been the case. Ribakova points out that all those unsanctioned banks can still hold foreign currencies — effectively acting as a replacement for some of the dollars and euros that the Central Bank of Russia has been frozen out of. “It was a dramatic blow to the whole sort of principle of fortress Russia, the central bank sanctions,” she says. “For them, it would be important for financial stability purposes to accumulate foreign reserves.”

    Maybe further escalations and more time are needed for the sanctions to really bite.


     
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    This is just how much European countries have paid Russia since the war against Ukraine started:

    https://beyond-coal.eu/russian-fossil-fuel-tracker/

    Over $ 30 billion in less than two months. Whatever measly aid is being given to Ukraine absolutely pales in comparison to that. Now imagine Germany having been the driving force in funneling all that money to Putin's dictatorship for 15+ years.
     
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  8. DaDakota

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    Nope, and being American - I don't give a ****!

    Not my country, or my problem....

    DD
     
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    that's the spirit. Not that there's any risk of Putin's war spilling over into nearby countries or eventually involving the U.S. more substantially than we're involved right now . . . .
     
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    Nobody is forcing you to read the threads either.

    And by the way, your attitude is pretty much the one Trump touted. America first! Yeeee-haaah.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Not America first - just don't have a say in what goes on in Germany, just like you don't have a vote or say in what goes on in America.

    I can't effect change in Germany - I can't do anything about their reliance on Russian oil - but you can......

    And **** Donald Trump he is the worst human being to ever be President - he should be shot as a traitor for all the laws he broke, but our government is too full of cowards to put him through the ringer because some of his loser assed minions may have guns.....

    Kinda like not fighting Putin and giving him what he wants....you never can win by appeasing a narcissist.....got to punch em directly in the nose and keep punching......if necessary.

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    DD trying to pull even with deb4
     
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    A broken clock is right twice a day. Trump is right less often than an inanimate object.
     
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    But DD is the real Rockets fan
    I don't know about deb4
     
  15. tinman

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    Germany is dope

    they brought us Milli Vanilli


    @Reeko
     

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