Psaki Says "Gender Affirming Care" for Kids Is 'Best Practice'

I would say the centuries of how we treated lgbtq people and the fact that we were all kids once and have all experienced abject **** talking and making fun of lgbtq people as kids, I think its a necessity.

 

You are absolutely equating empathy for people engaging in consensual sexual behavior with empathy for people who sexually assault kids. It could not be more clear. The fact that you think you are saying something different is mind boggling.

 

Who is saying anything goes?

You’re arguing for a slippery slope but then even admit that you’re not arguing equating them. In other words you’ve created a straw man that without these laws will lead to accepting pedophilia that you then claim isn’t the case.

So what is it do you believe that teaching acceptance of LGBT is equivalent to pedophilia or not? If not why keep on bringing it up?

 

The nature article points out the flaw - and it is a flaw, not just a limitation.

You can keep being condescending or you can actually start being a bit more open minded. If you are truly a person with a PHD in Genetics, you would have better articulated yourself here.

 

You said I was equating LGBT people with pedophiles...

The problem is you can't distinguish between people who commit sexual assault on minors and people who engage in consensual sexual behavior.

You said nothing of empathy in that post.

The fact that you made up something I didn't say is mind boggling.

But I get what you're saying. 15 years is what I give it for people to empathize with pedophiles. People who are more progressive earlier in life tend to become more moderate or even conservative later in life. So it is likely that opponents of laws like the Florida law will not go to bat for pedophiles the same way they did for the LGBT population.

 

No one is literally saying that. But also no one is talking about concrete boundaries. People are also defending the teachers who daily ask students to pick a pronoun or who have closets where students go in to change into another outfit or people who don't believe parents should be notified if their kids receive LGBT related services.

What? My point on what could happen if not for laws like the one in Florida is a continued increase in young people identifying as LGBT. To add to that, I would say that the increase would be more noticeable in even younger populations.

The pedophile point is about where uncontrolled empathy could lead.

I am actually making an attempt to be as clear as possible.

 

How does any of that lead to pedophilia?
No concrete boundaries? Has anyone in this thread said we should repeal laws against pedophilia?

How does more young people identifying as LGBT lead to pedophilia?

Who has said anything about empathizing with pedophiles?

You’ve created a classic straw man argument that those who oppose this law are somehow for no boundaries and unlimited empathy.

I haven’t read this whole thread but none of what I’ve seen is remotely close to that.

Further you yourself say that LGBT acceptance isn’t the same as pedophilia which undercuts your own straw man.

 

No you ****ing moron. People who empathize with LGBTQ do so because they have done nothing wrong and they have been historically (and currently) harmed by discrimination. Pedophiles sexually assault children. These children are harmed by the sexual assault. People who empathize with LGBTQ will not empathize with the sexual predators who harm children. I can't believe this has to be explained in such basic terms.

 

We should try to debate or argue without hurling f bombs

 

@rocketsjudoka , if we are going to continue this discussion I have to ask you to continue it in good faith. I don't believe that you are, but you do have a tremendous reputation around here. I hold you in high regard as well, so I hope I'm wrong.

The pedophilia tangent is an entirely separate issue from the Florida bill. I am making no connection to the law and pedophilia or to LGBT . I have said that repeatedly. I have also said that that law is necessary to slow the increase in children identifying as LGBT. Even though I don't believe it will stop it.

I provided you examples of the boundaries in regards to what is going on in classrooms. The things the Florida law is designed to prevent.

Nowhere in what you quoted prior to this response did I mention anything about pedophilia. Why do you mention it?

I predicted that's what will happen. No one else. And I get the strong response to it. One wouldn't be irrational to believe I am accusing them of something deplorable that they will do. It is the attitude, that live and let live, nothing wrong about this or that that I believe will carry to one day empathize with pedophiles, not necessarily the people.

No. I provided examples of teachers actions that people defended.

What is your opinion on those lessons?

Would you say any of them crossed the line?

You invented that straw man yourself, maybe intentionally, maybe unintentionally, probably because I wasn't as clear as I needed to be, but it definitely was not anything I ever believed.

 

No, I understand why he would feel that's necessary. Which is why I was making this point before I read his response:

I predicted that's what will happen. No one else. And I get the strong response to it. One wouldn't be irrational to believe I am accusing them of something deplorable that they will do. It is the attitude, that live and let live, nothing wrong about this or that that I believe will carry to one day empathize with pedophiles, not necessarily the people.

I made that point earlier, too.

 

I have friends and family that are gay. I have friends and family that support gay rights. I have supported gay rights as long as I have been consciously aware of the issue. When someone says that these beliefs will logically lead me and the people I love to support sexual predators that assault kids I take it personally. This isn't a debate about the ****ing tax code. More people should be reacting emotionally to these ideas because they have historically led to horrific repression and the people who hold them are on the rise again.

 

I hear ya! Couldn't agree more.

 

What in the actual ****?

Do you even understand what you are writing?

Replace the word LGBT with literally any characteristic of yourself and see how ****ed up it sounds.

White, Black, Christian, Muslim, Male, Female, Straight, Gay, whatever.

 

You ask for a debate in good faith yet you keep on bringing up this argument that these actions will lead to empathy for pedophilia. How is anyone to read what you’re posting.

So you’re saying it is a tangent not connected to the law but the law is needed to prevent such things?

again how is that a straightforward good faith argument ?

My time is limited right now but will respond more thoroughly later.

 

Why is a law needed to prevent children from identifying as LGBT as you said it?

So stay in the closet until you are an adult? Don't be honest about it until later? They are what they are and no law stopping them from identifying is going to change who they are. All it does is say "Don't say you are gay."

I must have a whole lot more faith in humanity than you, because I don't believe for a second that one day people in this country will empathize with child molesters and rapists. You name one person who is going to say. "Oh, that guy raped a child but I empathize with him."

 

Wow.

I appreciate that you're asking for clarification, but no, that's not what I said. I said this:

The pedophilia tangent is an entirely separate issue from the Florida bill. I am making no connection to the law and pedophilia or to LGBT . I have said that repeatedly. I have also said that that law is necessary to slow the increase in children identifying as LGBT. Even though I don't believe it will stop it.​

These are the points I made:

1. Pedophilia tangent is an entirely separate issue from the Florida law
2. I am making no connection to the law and pedophilia or (pedophilia) to LGBT
3. The law is necessary to slowdown the increase in children identifying as LGBT

So, just in case I need to say this, the law is not needed to prevent people defending pedophilia in the future.

I can't make it anymore straightforward.

 

Well, it's not like I'm clutching my pearls as people can get nasty on here even when it's about the ****ing tax code, but I don't know why going to the lengths of swearing and calling people names would solve anything. It's not like Jumpman's going around and spreading his ideas all the time. Nor are your family and friends being directly offended.

If you think he could change his mind at the slightest, I've never known an instance where feeling justified and shouting down an internet stranger or a person face to face ever changed their mind.

So maybe it feels good because you've made him represent something else and that something else can cause real pain to your friends and family. IMO, you're not really doing them any favors.

If there ever was some dysfunctional get-together, you can give Jumpman a good ol' slap and show him who's boss.

 

At this point I believe its pointless (for me) to continue the discussion over this. Its clear some of the people that support the FL law and all other legislation that discriminates against the LBGTQ+ community do so out of ignorance, fear, hate or strictly partisan reasons. And since they know their position parallels past bigotry used against other minorities (stoking fear of crime, especially using children to stoke fears) they will justify their position as being morally acceptable. They used this in the past "bathroom" laws, and now again with school and "grooming" debates.

Its a rather pointless debate for as long as they are in the political majority they will pass these types of laws and as long as the USSC is so overwhelmingly republican they will continue to turn a blind eye on discriminatory laws like these.

 

The bigots don't change their stripes. They just go into hiding and eventually die. The best we can do is prevent them from doing damage and spreading their BS.