I have a question (which is only slightly related to the thread here). When we look at victims of sexual child abuse in the Catholic church, it seemed to me from news reports that they were actually much more often boys than girls. So I just looked that up and this seems confirmed by the data. https://www.researchgate.net/figure...ts-at-the-time-the-abuse-began_fig3_247523934 I believe almost all sexual child abuse (over 95 %) is committed by men - see here: https://www.ywca.org/wp-content/uploads/WWV-CSA-Fact-Sheet-Final.pdf and here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse#Demographics So I am trying to understand the data here (I never thought about it before this thread). It seems incredibly unfair and discriminatory to make a connection at all between homosexuality and pedophilia. But is it specifically the Catholic church that attracts pedophiles who also happen to be homosexual? Crucify me, but I am just looking at the data and trying to understand it. Edit: I tried to look into the numbers a bit further. https://victimsofcrime.org/child-sexual-abuse-statistics/ So in absolute numbers - if these are correct - girls are 4 x likelier to be victims of child sexual abuse. But if almost all child abuse is committed by men and somewhere between 3 and 10 % of men are attracted to the same gender, why isn't the number of female victims of child sexual abuse 10-33 x higher than the number of male victims?
It's like how people in the Bible Belt and south accepted owning slaves and tying up and lynching grown men. They thought it was fine to keep blacks out of their diners or treating them like inferior trash. It used to be women couldn't even vote, black soldiers weren't treated like American heroes, the military could have witch hunts and throw out gays with 2 years to retire. Thank God we have made progress in human rights, but there is still far too much ignorance, hate, and discrimination in our country.
Again, pedophiles molest and rape kids because they are sick in the head. It's child abuse. They molest and rape girls and boys. That doesn't make them homosexual, it means they are child predators. The only reason I can guess about more boys in Catholic churches is because they spent more time alone with Priests as alter boys. I haven't read any books about their stories.
This goes without saying. I can't put myself into the shoes of a child predator, but do I understand you correctly that you are saying that they don't have a gender they are attracted to, they just feel attracted to children, no matter which gender? Or would a child predator who happens to be heterosexual or homosexual have a preference in terms of the gender of the victim? I don't even want to think about it anymore. I was just trying to understand the data.
I don't know how the Church is set up, but I assume older men in the church tend to work with and mentor young boys rather than young girls? So, the environment would naturally lead to a higher percentage of young, male victims.
The overwhelming number of male victims of clergy sexual abuse led to assumptions regarding sexual preference of clergy offenders. The present study examined 9,540 records (incidents) of alleged cleric sexual abuse in the United States between 1950 and 1999 to explore situational factors of the abuse by victim gender. No evidence was found to suggest that male victims were purposefully targeted more than female victims; rather, the abuse appeared to be more a function of opportunity. These findings support a situational framework of sexual abuse for the majority of clergy abuse and the assertion that abuse in church can be understood as not a crisis regarding homosexuality but as a social problem that must be examined in its context. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23264544/
But I thought sexual orientation and preference regarding the gender one is attracted to is not something that can be influenced? Didn't you and others say we are basically born with it? Then how does opportunity matter?
Is this study a Nazi study? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/ The proportions of heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles among sex offenders against children: an exploratory study K Freund 1, R J Watson Affiliations PMID: 1556756 DOI: 10.1080/00926239208404356 Abstract Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether the etiology of preferred partner sex among pedophiles is related to the etiology of preferred partner sex among males preferring adult partners. Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually. This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children.
Opportunity for predators. Just like serial killers, or any other psycho. Nobody is influencing their sick mind. Just like any predatory animal, they strike when prey is around. They can be heterosexual or homosexual.
Some pedophiles like both girls and boys and it isn’t that uncommon for some pedophiles to be attracted to the opposite gender adults. I remember being surprised when I had a friend that is a psychiatrist tell me that. We assume that it is consistent but it isn’t. Also concerning the Catholic Church, there is a lot to consider. First, the rate of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church isn’t higher than other denominations…. As to why there are more boys abused? Priests have FAR more access to boys than girls. Many Catholic schools are segregated by gender.
Again, I cannot put myself into the shoes of a child predator, but are you saying they are indifferent with regard to the gender of their victims? Same argument others made about opportunity, I guess. But I still don't quite understand - I would have thought either one is or isn't attracted to a certain gender. Just because there is "opportunity" that doesn't suddenly change, does it? Is it really that way around or is it an environment that attracts people who seek that opportunity?
Pedophiles look for professions and opportunities. Someone that wants to have access to male children will likely target the priesthood or boyscout leader for example.
It varies from predator to predator. It isn’t uncommon for a male pedophile to sleep with adult women and male children.
Yes, I would have assumed that it's more that way around (see my previous post). But how does that explain that in the overall population, boys are affected more as victims percentage-wise than sexual orientation statistics would make one assume?
OK I haven't heard of that. I really wouldn't have thought so. Not sure I can follow the "logic" of switching gender preference when it is a younger person, but then again, there is absolutely no "logic" in child abuse to begin with. Interesting, I guess I learn something new every day.
I don't know how you can jump from teaching kids there's nothing wrong with same sex couples to teaching them that pedophilia is ok. Just ridiculous. This is the modern state of affairs.
I know, it is all bizarre to me… but my understanding is it is all over the map. Some molest all male children, some both… some only like children and a lot like sex with adults as well… it’s really weird to me.
I think the biggest point is that whether it's a girl or a boy, predators are predators, and they come in all genders, ethnicities, professions, political preference, religious preference, and sexual orientation. To tweet stuff and have the audacity to act like it's a leftist Democrat mentality is crazy. There are pedophiles in all parties.
It could be a lot of things… could be we are more protective of little girls than boys so the opportunity costs for approaching and harming boys is lower. There is a lot of possibilities
