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Asian American Influence on Pop Culture

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  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes it's MSNBC but it's not a former Democratic staffer going off about the latest findings of the Jan. 6th committee or Joe Scaraborough talking about how he grew up on the Florida Bama line.

    An interesting piece on the intersection of Asian and Black culture including discussing the movie, The Last Dragon, "You got the Glow!"

    A pretty good definition of the difference between cultural appreciation and appropriation.
     
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    I really don't like when people talk about appropriation. It certainly exists but it's one of those things that just isn't as relevant anymore.

    Back in the pre-50s USA it certainly existed where black artists would create songs or music and white artists would take it and call it their own while black artists were left in the background. To me, that's appropriation. Stealing and giving no credit to the originating culture.

    I really hated how people on the left treated Awkafina recently, that was an example of people being way too eager in attacking someone for...I wasn't sure what she was guilty of. It was clear she was appreciating and not appropriating. I also hated how people made this argument as if she were taking roles from black women when really most of her roles (at least her most prominent ones) were clearly always written for an Asian woman in mind. It's not like they were looking to cast Regina Hall in Shang-Chi or Crazy Rich Asians and her voice is so unique for a female that she's always going to get roles in animated films and shows.

    With that said, I've always felt like there was always a sharing between the Asian and African American communities that's resulted in a lot of cool things. Even outside of america where you've had things like Samurai Champloo or Boondocks and really there are so many examples of it now that I think more about it.

    I've never been too much of a fan of the term 'cultural appropriation' because it's been weaponized a little too much for my taste. I mean, pizza wouldn't exist without one culture borrowing from another and putting its own spin on it.

    Culture, in my opinion, is meant to be shared, that's how it grows. Of course there are cases where people steal something from another culture and do it maliciously (like the early example of white musicians pre-50s) but these are usually outliers that can be discussed as outliers and not the norm.
     
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    Bts sold out raiders stadium for 4 shows
     
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    I've been saying a lot recently we live in a diverse society and the culture we have is a polyglot. I agree "appropriation" is often thrown around a lot when it really isn't that, for example there was an incident a few years ago where a white student wore a Qi Pao (a Chinese dress) to prom and some people on Twitter got upset about it. To me that wasn't appropriation and personally was glad that to see people appreciating traditional Chinese fashion.
     
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    Yep, I remember that story. That was another example of people being way too overzealous. It also sucks that these people are often apologetic and theystill get crucified for just liking something that wasn't their 'culture' and its odd this happens in America, the melting pot, where it really should be celebrated.

    Thankfully I think the whole attacking people for appropriation is dying out, at least I haven't seen it pop up recently
     
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    I'm a fan.

     
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    Yup
    And in comics too
    I know some of the suckers here pretend to buy a gay Superman comic but the truth is that manga is destroying dc and marvel because they are making gay Superman and no guns punisher

     
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    I only hear cultural appropriation complaints from hypocritical white liberals and angry black people. I never hear it from other minorities. I've seen stupid comments about cultural appropriation when an Asian person(who look white) wear traditional Asian clothing like Kimonos and Saris. It's weird AF.
     
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    The Asian anime (often derived from manga) is cutting edge and really has been, as an example such anime with a theme of BL (boy love) before BL or GL had woke Disney backing…once again, the asian culture that shape manga and anime are the trend setters for appeal and culture acceptance in the U.S. …Specific anime’s that introduces a theme such as cosplay and own it like the recent and highly successful “my dress up darling” as a different example. Marin is best girl hands down btw..
    I agree that culture should have some elements of sharing and crossover but some culture simply own said culture and we should admire and respect that
     
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    Bts , a boy band, sold out 4 shows at the raiders stadium.
    That’s like 80k fans per night.
    They just prove Americans just want entertainment as entertainment and nobody got ran over and died when any autotune happens.
     
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    Isn't this all just a continuation of mixing all cultures together.

    I mean Tinman is Asian, but not sure if he was raised in that culture - seems more US culture in his posts, same as ATW - who probably is more German......

    Just seems that looking at race is like so last century.

    DD
     
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    I read some op/eds that the issue with Awkwafina was that it wasn't her real Brooklyn accent and the fact that she could turn it on or off made people think she was doing a caricature. There was also some narrative over some line she said dealing Black or Asian Minstrels. ::shrugs::

    I don't want her cancelled, but I do think she's damn annoying.

    It's all perspective. Black Americans have felt victimized by people stealing their culture or twisting it into nefarious means like the 50s or before. Asian Americans weren't recognized positively until late 70s and even with Bruce Lee, most of the mainstream perception of their culture were exotic, weird, or toxic (MSG...Chinese Restaurant Syndrome). After all that time, Asian Americans wanted a spiritual recognition that we have contributed to American culture rather than being a silent model minority...which has been happening over the last couple generations. It also helps that Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans think their own cultures are hot **** and want as many people emulating it as possile.

    Black Americans are beyond that recognition and are looking more to who holds the strings to popular Black American culture and whether Black Americans profit off it. Similarly Asian Americans have been more vocal over the past decade about representation in front and behind the camera, especially within Asian specific themes.

    Cultural/Ethnic ownership is arguable whether it's even possible in a literal sense as every American contributes to our culture, and it goes back to whether the glass is half full (we're becoming a melting pot in a merit driven society) or half empty (we're assimilating into a preexisting social hierarchy).

    Honestly, it'll probably remain both half full/half empty for a while. We'll continue to use the melting pot metaphor, but the hierarchy won't flatten anytime soon.
     
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    Wait . .. .Tinman is Asian?
    [​IMG]

    Rocket River
    *grin*
     
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    Who knows at this point, he's a fake nerd though and didn't even know Batwoman was a DC and not a marvel property and seems to be obsessed with gay superman.

    @tinman dude it's okay to be into that, people will support it. I'm sure if you type that into google you might find some pictures of top selling gay superman that you might even enjoy.
     
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    But do white and black and latin girls throw panties at them?
     
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  19. tinman

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    Don’t know why my brother @DaDakota
    Mentioned me and @AroundTheWorld
    Randomly but I love him !

    I only identify as a 99er
    I was raised in the culture where Hakeem Olajuwon and the Rockets represented red and yellow
     
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  20. tinman

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    Really bat woman is DC? I thought she was Pokémon
    @pgabriel
     

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