Psaki Says "Gender Affirming Care" for Kids Is 'Best Practice'

So the return on these laws you are conceding would be very small at best yet have the risk of putting much more pressure on teachers from parents threatening to sue and also to use the blunt instrument of government bureaucrats managing classrooms.

Also what is the something worse that can happen? That more children might come out as LGBT? Laws are on the books that already prevent teachers from sexually exploiting their students and FL itself already bans teaching of sex ed to primary school children.

 

I just want to emphasize this point. As the law is written it is vague. What the standards are of what teachers can discuss and not discuss isn't clear. The enforcement is left to parent threatening to sue and to state officials to decide whether that meets the standard or not. In other words it takes control out of local schools.

Parents have always been able to complain about what happens in schools and through local school boards can elect and change leadership if they don't like it. What laws like this do is add another layer of more centralized control. It's a big government solution to a problem that even many of the proponents of this law are admitting isn't as much of a problem and at best will do very little.

 

Fair enough.

A boy wearing a dress would be a big deal that school administrators would definitely take the lead on. If given time, the counselors would have lessons with the students, principals would probably let the students know what the consequences of bullying the kid are, and maybe even district administration would play some role. I mean, we get girls wanting to do the boy thing all the time, we just keep it moving, but a boy wearing dresses is a bit out of our pay grade.

As far as the law is concerned in this situation, I don't see how it would be an issue for the teacher to discuss bullying of the boy wearing dresses if that situation presents itself. Reading that book as part of a lesson to teach kids that boys could wear dresses is unnecessary in 99.99% of classes. But again, we'll see how the law is applied in practice.

 

I think you're overreacting here. We'll see what happens.

Think of the brain of 4 to 8 year old as very fertile soil, the most fertile brain soil you could find on Earth, you plant seeds of sexual orientation, gender identity, pronouns, and other seeds, you would expect some to grow and mature into something. Some people are born with these seeds and they would have grown regardless, fine, but I think you'll have a greater harvest if you plant those seeds than if you would wait until the soil is more capable of thinking for itself.

 

Do parents need to know if a teacher says it's ok to be black and they aren't any difference than anyone else? Florida banned this as well by the way.

I never understood what is the issue with teaching tolerance and acceptance of people? Why is it that telling kids not to hate is something bad???

10% of the population - globally - is gay. 1/2 of 1% of the population is transgender - all over the world, throughout history. That's because it's genetic, not a choice. So what is wrong with kids learning that some people are different because they are going to get exposed to it. You can't stop kids from seeing two men with a kid as a family unit. They probably know classmates with two moms. They might see a gay couple kissing in public. It's already part of their lives. And they shouldn't see that as abnormal behavior just that some people are different. This isn't about grooming, it's about acceptance, and the movement is that people are scared their kids won't inherit the prejudices they have themselves against these groups.

 

You talked about people shoving Ramadan down people's throats, but never once have a I seen a television ad about Ramadan. I see Christian church ads all over tv, ads for Easter all the time right now. When will Christians stop trying to shove stuff down our throats?

 

Exposing children to the reality that LGBTQ people exist and are as valuable as any other group of people...... is grooming or an attempt to make children gay or transgender?

Really? Is that what opponents really believe?

When students learn about different cultures, is that grooming? Is that an effort to make them change their culture?

This is the same nonsense that was used by segregationists in the past.

 

What? Don't be ridiculous. There is no way teachers can't say being Black is okay. I guess you're talking about CRT, I know very little about it, but I know it's much more in depth than being Black is okay.

If that was actually all we're talking about, then no one would think a law was necessary AND no one would be opposed of such a law. People are against that law because tolerance and acceptance is not all they want to teach.

The problem is that 15 to 20 percent of young people are identifying as LGBT. Why is that if we should only expect 10% of them to identify as LGBT? For me, that's mainly due to social media which kindergarteners through third-graders don't have access to. The kooky side of me doesn't think that is a coincidence, but I try not to listen to that side of me.

What is your definition of abnormal? You said they're just different, which is another word for abnormal, no?

You can't expect everyone to accept what you accept. We all have different beliefs. Just like I can't expect everyone to love tripe tacos like I do. This law attempts to set boundaries for what anyone on any side of this issue could teach kids in kindergarten through third-grade. That's a compromise.

 

I think this last paragraph really shows that for some humans, you literally have to hand hold them to show them what empathy actually looks like.

Tripe Tacos aren't sentient beings that demand a basic amount of dignity.

Abd no this isn't a compromise. This is an attempt to paint something as benign as teaching kids basic empathy skills towards LGBTQ people as "child grooming". There should be zero compromise her because it gives into bigoted propaganda level framing.

 

See, this is what needs to be brought to the topic by those against the law and have concerns about something like this..... and I think if everyone is being honest, there should be some degree of concern because we do not know the long term impact (good or bad). I believe that children should be taught to be inclusive and accepting of the LGBTQ community, and there should be resources for children that are struggling with their identity. However, surgery for minors is a different situation. I do not pretend to know the answer, as it is permanent, but I also know it is rarely done with children.... however, my wife is a doctor and pointed out that the medication they are given has long term effects as well...... but that also is balanced with the known long term impacts suffered by the LGBTQ community.

I don't think that a lot of the fiercest proponents and opponents on this issue are arguing in good faith..... those that are proposing laws are often doing so based on the culture wars and politics and discrimination..... likewise, strong and zealous supporters are also glossing over the fact that these drugs and surgeries are permanently life altering for good or bad, and we don't have long term studies.

I tend to defer reluctantly to the experts on the topic. Experts in the field are usually far more accurate than a lay person.... but they are not always right, you can look at the issue of lobotomies for example.... but that is the exception and not the norm.

 

It is not true that 10% of the population globally is gay. All leading studies point to somewhere between 3.5%-5%. Carry on.

 

An interesting distinction that makes no difference to the premises of this conversation.

 

The law states that you are not allowed to make anyone feel uncomfortable about racial issues. So if you say blacks are ok and that makes a white person feel uncomfortable in their job, school, or anywhere, you've violated the law. I'm not joking at all. This is what the law states. Since no one can categorize what feeling uncomfortable even means, anyone can claim bringing up race in any context as a violation of the law. So even saying blacks should be treated equally can land you in hot water if that makes a white person feel bad.

That's all they want nothing more. You're buying into propaganda. Just think for a second, where do you get that they want to do more than preach tolerance and acceptance?

Dude, no one says they are gay or transgender to be cool. Talk to anyone who is gay and transgender and you will see how painful it is. Do you really think realizing you were born a different gender than your body is a pleasant thing?

My definition of abnormal is that there is no such thing as abnormal because there is no such thing as normal. That's the problem. Why does there have to be a normal? Yes we can all accept people for who they are - regardless of race, beliefs, religion, sex, or whatever. That's the founding principle of this country - tolerance and acceptance. People came here to escape prosecution for being different, and now we want to do the same to other people? That's bs

 

I wonder if Trey Parker and Matt Stone will dedicate an entire season to safe spaces in grade school for bigoted conservatives.

Doubt it.

 

Of Adults? Well there are different studies and all of this relies on demographic data so it's possible it's 5%, 8% 10% or even higher. Regardless, the point is that it's largely genetic and not some kind of choice people make like the flavor of ice cream they want.

 

It's a choice if you are bisexual. Hence anyone who believes it's a choice is either deeply religiously brainwashed or bisexual.

 

First, I agree with you that there are other groups (larger groups) that face substantial discrimination and they do not get the type of attention they deserve and are expected to put their claims aside while favored special interest groups get all of the attention. There is no doubt that the biggest discrimination issue in the world today, is the discrimination that women face..... and it is almost never addressed. I know that a lot of feminists are not happy that the LGBTQ community is getting all of the attention.... and I do believe the reason is because many of those in the LGBTQ community were raised as males, and in many cases white males and are used to a level of self importance that women simply do not have.

Having said that, the idea that those in the LGBTQ are not "actually being oppressed" is absurd. The suicide rates are extremely high. The level of violence they experience is also very high. They are discriminated against.

 

They now let two black men have a conversation without white oversight? This world just gets more and more depraved daily. What is next? Women can be seen in public without a head covering?

 

@JumpMan

Would you consider it child grooming if you showed your kids a kids movie that had a young boy and girl holding hands? Or going to the prom? Is that child grooming and teaching kids hetero sexual acts?

 

Have you read the book?