Psaki Says "Gender Affirming Care" for Kids Is 'Best Practice'

Not only that, but they kissed Trump's butt for 4 years. If you see the dangers and disturbing hate coming from those three you see how much they are alike. They all use "fear mongering" to push their hateful discrimination laws and division against certain Americans.

 

Being incapable of feeling empathy is one of many characteristics of a sociopath. I truly believe Trump is incapable of having empathy for anyone but himself. I also believe he is a sociopath. He ticks far too many boxes.

 

Should we legislate this should always be the question and the main question and the final question.

So, is there some major correlation here with teachers grooming kids to be LGBTQ+? Of course not, scientifically we know it is natural. As I always say, it's something observed in other apes and since we too are apes (sorry for people who think evolution is fake) it then makes sense that the science regarding humans is similar. In fact, apes are more similar to us when it comes to sexual activity as not many animals have sex for pure pleasure outside of apes. Other mammals like cats for instance have 'seasons' in which chemicals for the female tell her to boot over and basically get raped because it's not pleasurable. For many kinds of apes, including humans, it is pleasurable.

So let's completely erase even a hint of an idea that teachers are turning kids gay. It's not happening. It can't happen anymore than some pastor turning a bunch of gay kids straight.

So we return to the question of grooming. When I think of grooming (sexual grooming) I think of cases where an adult manipulates a child to being favorable to their sexual advances later. Is this happening so much that we need legislation? I know I've heard of teachers grooming children but IIRC most of these are straight cases...is it happening so much that we should change how we talk about the LGBTQ+ community? Because I feel like that's what we're doing.

Why wasn't the response to the Catholic church's pedo scandal the same? There we had actual grooming and several cases of it even. Did we even move closer to pulling kids out of catholic churches to protect them from what was then a bit of an issue?

So, I'm not worried about grooming and I don't think there is ANY evidence that shows that it is so widespread that we need to start legislating anything regarding it. If it happens it's one wacko teacher doing it that should be punished for it and it's that crazy local story you read about one day and move on with your life. Is there some pandemic in Florida schools where gay teachers are grooming children? If not, why are we talking about it?

If grooming is simply trying to teach morals and empathy to children then almost every single adult is responsible for it because the definition includes non-sexual grooming as well then. I feel like what we're doing is telling some adults that their morals aren't okay and that they aren't good examples for children because of their sexual identity and preferences. Which is fine, if that's your belief, but I do wish we can be honest about it?

If this law was just about protecting children from sexual predators that sometimes happen to work in schools, no one would care about it and have any issue with it. Instead, what we are getting is this whole discussion about the LGBTQ+ community because it is a focus of the bill.

 

The law does a lot more harm than good. If society accepted these kids they wouldn't be rejected so much by friends and family. If parents weren't more worried about what others would think if their kid was "odd, immoral, weird" as many call them, then maybe they themselves would be more accepting of their own children.

If the government did a whole lot more to help and serve these children with the services they needed then it could save lives and possibly keep these children from harm by others or from killing themselves.

The Cost of Coming Out: LGBT Youth Homelessness

Just a few excerpts from the article.

1.6 million youth are homeless each year and up to 40 percent of them identify as LGBT. Because LGBT youth represent only 7 percent of the total youth population, there is a staggering disproportion of homelessness among these populations. Homelessness can lead to mental, physical, and behavioral issues that last a lifetime.

“Half of all teens get a negative reaction from their parents when they come out to them,” and more than one in four are forced to leave their homes.

Despite this sobering statistic, there are currently no federal programs specifically designed to meet the needs of gay and transgender homeless youth. This means that, in many cases, LGBT youth are left without the resources and assistance provided to other homeless populations.

Perhaps most significantly, the report notes that homelessness, system placement, and involvement in the justice system may be cyclical: “Incarceration and involvement in juvenile justice systems for these youth is caused by the criminalization of homelessness itself … LGBT homeless youth may thus be both driven into homelessness because of their relationship to juvenile justice and child welfare institutions, and are driven back into these systems due to their lack of housing.”

https://lesley.edu/article/the-cost-of-coming-out-lgbt-youth-homelessness

Laws like this crap from DeSantis and Greg Abbott wanting to replicate it are far more harmful than good. What about the children? We need to help them, not outcast them. We need to do more, not only for these kids but for the homeless in America.

 

There are percentages out there in regards to the amount of LGBT people in the population, that percentage is increasing with the young according to some polls out there, is it possible that the lower percentages are closer to the actual number and that the extra we are seeing among the young is due to these types of pushes? I bet you'll say the increase represents a segment of the population that was always there, it's just that now we are more accepting of it therefore now more people are willing to come out. I don't believe that. The key reason is that all someone has to do is identify as this or that to be it. There's nothing scientific about feeling a certain way.

That's pedophile grooming. Everyone accepts that definition and 99.99% of people are against it, at least for now. The type of grooming we are talking about here is that that encourages children to join an LGBT+ group. To groom children to that end is what we are seeing and I am asking people to define it if what we are seeing is not that type of grooming.

Child abuse is already against the law. If the pedophile priests weren't prosecuted, the Catholic Church was sued and victims received compensation. Not sure what else there is to do there as no one is forcing anyone to go to Mass.

If it's not a big deal now, why not pass a law so it won't be a big deal later? Why not nip it in the bud? If it's really not a big deal, the law won't change much. I'm sure there are laws that are rarely broken that still remain on the books just in case.

If all teachers were doing was teaching empathy, then it wouldn't be a big deal, but that's not all they are doing and not all that could happen if we allow it. As far as morals, they are relative. We can't teach that concept to kindergartners. We can hardly teach it to adults.

Does the law prohibit LGBT people from teaching?

 

Yes, people are more accepting of it so now more come out. It's not rocket science. There just used to be thousands more forced into secrecy, whether from fear of gay bashing, rejection by friends and family, or from being fired from their job or not even being able to get hired.

The military used to reject them or go on witch hunts to throw them out. I guarantee you there are many more gay athletes and movie stars that are still in the closet out of fear.

Even some churches still reject them, even though they were created by God if people believe in God.

There most definitely is something scientific when it comes to hormones, sexual arousal, and attraction. A gay man can't decide they want to be straight and suddenly have a hormonal change that makes them desire women and not desire men sexually.

There are many who try to save face and marry, but that doesn't mean they aren't still attracted more to men. Many marry as a shield, and are actually more in love with someone of the same sex outside their marriage. Sad, but true. Many try to pretend, but end up divorced years later and live the life they feel more comfortable in.

As for groomers, sex traffickers, and pedophiles, they come from all spectrums, just like any child predators. They are mentally ill and sick people, but not so rare in the political field as we have seen from many politicians. The scariest part is those are the ones elected to make the laws.

 

Well fortunately the world doesn't operate the way you believe. If you think human primal instincts like sexual satisfaction can be faked to the point where they will go against their sexual desires and sleep with the opposite sex for some positive reinforcement then yes, I believe you might actually be bisexual and that is okay. These teachers are merely teaching these kids to understand and empathize.

 

The point of that argument was to show that scientific ain't always scientific. If the percentage of LGBT people overall is x% by some scientific measure or research, then why would it increase significantly in a certain segment of the population? A segment of the population that is more susceptible to grooming, coercion, influence, peer pressure, etc.

 

Bro, are you grooming me right now?

 

I just told you why! It's not rocket science.

 

Yes, my argument is that because society is more accepting of it more of them are coming out. You say that isn't the case...then what is? There is something scientific to it, what is scientific is that it is natural and isn't chosen. Just because you feel someone is choosing to be that way doesn't make it right.

Ok, I'm sincerely a little confused and I'll ask you to clarify before assuming something...join an LGBT group in what way? You mean like an organiztion like GLAAD or something or???

Agreed, so why do we need more laws against pedo teachers?

Because as you mentioned child abuse and pedophilia are already against the law, so any teachers, priests, coaches, whoever, grooming young people to later be used for sex is already against the law.

Every single example I've seen shown to me was teaching empathy. So do you think a book about a boy wearing a dress is grooming? I don't see that as grooming.

If you see it as grooming do you see a book teaching kids about racial acceptance also as grooming?

It certainly 100% makes LGBTQ+ people feel uncomfortable from teaching. It definitely targets them and treats them differently from straight teachers. For example, a straight teacher can talk about her husband and a gay teacher can't. It also makes gay parents feel a lot more uncomfortable.

These are how these laws work man. I don't know what else to say. If you look at Jim Crow era you had a lot of laws EXACTLY like this that didn't explictly target black people but made it so it was acceptable to do so. That's how the GI bill worked actually. It didn't explicitly deny black veterans benefits but it ALLOWED for people to do that.

That's what this bill has already done. Already there's stories of LGBT teachers moving out of the state because of it.

 

Most of this isn't science at all.

 

'I cannot teach in Florida': LGBTQ educators fear fallout from new school law
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out...ucators-fear-fallout-new-school-law-rcna22106

So @JumpMan I won't hear that this isn't affecting LGBTQ people, it already has and it's been what, not even one month?

As I've mentioned, a lot of bills that result in discrimination don't openly say it. You have to remember lawyers write these things. There will never be a bill that says "NO GAY TEACHERS!" what you do is write a bill where you allow others to attack teachers for their identity and make them feel uncomfortable enough so that they give up, quit, and go away.

Remember, the entire Jim Crow era slogan was 'Separate but Equal', the facade was that blacks were being treated fairly in their own spaces. Behind that slogan you write city ordinances where black people had to sit at the back of the bus. Read the ordinance though, it never says 'BLACKS MUST SIT AT THE BACK OF THE BUS!' it says 'Whites and blacks must be in separate spaces' and by doing this you can force people into poorer areas, poorer utilities, etc etc...

So this law isn't openly homophobic but what it will do and what it already has done is allow for parents to target educators that are LGBTQ+ and intimidate them to either be quiet and as the one above said, remain in the closet, or go away. That's the entire goal of the bill, otherwise it wouldn't exist because pedophiles and child abusers are already criminals under the law.

 

What is the percentage of LGBT+ people? There are percentages out there that don't match the percentages of youth identifying as some sort of LGBT+ group. My contention is that young people are choosing to identify as some sort of LGBT+ and that the type of education we are discussing will only increase those numbers due to factors like a lack of critical thinking, being highly impressionable, highly susceptible to peer pressure, their need for acceptance, etc. The fact of the matter is that no one needs to actually be anything to identify as something and that is what makes it unscientific.

I meant identify as one or more LGBT+.

This is why I'm trying to come to an understanding of the grooming we are talking about. Pedophile grooming is not what I'm talking about. I predict there will be a time where people like you will defend that type of grooming, but not right now.

There was a teacher who allows her students to take a pronoun button as they walk into her class. You might say, well, she ain't forcing any of them to take it and changing your pronoun isn't a big deal but peer pressure is a mother****er and pronoun usage isn't a big deal until someone decides to not play pretend with you. Even that book is unacceptable to me because not everyone agrees that a boy wearing a dress is okay or normal.

I don't think all of that is true from the way the law is written. If the law is used to successfully convict someone one day when all the teacher did is make their students aware that they're gay, then I'll stand corrected. But it seems that this is about teaching, not connecting with students as a teacher would do when sharing personal information.

BTW, I've had several students with lesbian parents over the years, didn't affect my job and the vast majority of classmates never cared either, but the students themselves always cared, they always had issues with their home life.

I'm not going to compare these issues with issues Black people faced or continue to face.

 

Those teachers weren't charged with anything or fired. One was actually defended by his school. He quit because parents complained. I've had white parents accuse me of being racist. They ended up having to move their kid to another school because my school had my back like that teacher's school had his.

The other teacher is quitting simply because the law was passed. She said the law was the STRAW that broke the camel's back so she is implying that she was already frustrated with teaching. I want to see a teacher prosecuted for telling their students that they're gay.

 

desantis is trump-lite. heck... trump just praised desantis' Don't Say Gay bill...

DeSantis Is Trump 2.0
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/27/opinion/desantis-trump-republican-party.html

Ron DeSantis follows the Trump playbook ahead of 2024
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/19/politics/ron-desantis-trump-2024-president-crime-cities/index.html

‘We Want People That Are Going to Fight the Left,’ Says the Man Out-Trumping Trump
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/opinion/ron-desantis-is-gambling-on-out-trumping-trump.html

DeSantis’s Threats to Disney Is What Post-Trump Authoritarianism Looks Like
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...to-disney-is-post-trump-authoritarianism.html

 

Someone that attempts to create fear of gays and trans people by suggesting they are "grooming" children is not demonstrating empathy nor compassion. But sure... pretend its a simple disagreement...

 

The law discriminates against gays... since you are not gay, you don't care. But gay teachers do. And for good reason.