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Psaki Says "Gender Affirming Care" for Kids Is 'Best Practice'

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Apr 8, 2022.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    @fchowd0311 you also sound very agitated and self-righteous. I am being patient with you and not responding to your very triggered posts.
     
  2. deb4rockets

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    Who was I demonizing in my statement?
    Tell me. Don't accuse me of that just because you disagree. You seem to always be the one bringing up rage and demonization, not me. Look in the mirror and quit bad mouthing people personally who disagree with your views.

    I was speaking on why I don't think Trump should even be in the running. I was talking about Trump, not you.

    What I failed to even mention was the fact that Trump loves and admires Putin and has never called him out for the horrible person he is. Honestly, it says a lot about Trump's beliefs, and not in a good way. Trump treats Putin with more respect than our own President and Vice President.

    Tell me, if you had to choose between Trump or a Democrat would you choose Trump?
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    **** I just might vote in Jim Carey out of spite for President because of you. Be careful not to radicalize my vote. Be kind to me.
     
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  4. deb4rockets

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    There you go again personally attacking someone who disagrees with your views.
     
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  5. AroundTheWorld

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    I would choose a Democrat.

    I have repeatedly said that I think Trump is a malignant narcissist and that he should face criminal charges and be barred from running again for his involvement in Jan. 6th, if for nothing else. I agree with some of the political decisions made by his administration, but he just seems to be a bad person. I could not support him.

    I like Romney. I also like DeSantis.
     
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  6. fchowd0311

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    even with their pedophilic agenda to turn kids gay and trans? Damn, good for you.
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    You think saying someone is "agitated and self-righteous" is a personal attack, but you think being called a fascist, a future militant extremist, a Nazi, someone who denies people healthcare, someone who demonizes LGBTQ people is all fine?

    Please check yourself.
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    You share tweets calling teachers who only care about teaching children concepts about empathy "groomers" with connotations that they are grooming them to be sexual deviants.

    Yes, you are spreading Nazi like rhetoric.
     
  9. deb4rockets

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    I didn't realize he called you that. What is your excuse for personally attacking me?
     
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    And I'm not going to back down from it. If you don't feel comfortable with it, I understand if you don't want to defend it.

    But from my reading and understanding of how fascism forms throughout multiple regimes throughout the 20th century, patterns are recognized. I'm recognizing a pattern here.

    But ATW is absolutely right. I did call his rhetoric the 'precursors to fascism'. If you find that too extreme, I understand. And if anyone wants to elaborate on why they feel that term is incorrect for how the right is framing our current education discourse from CRT to lgbt issues as of right now, I would love a explanation and discourse on the matter.

    And this is probably the most childish aspect in me coming out but I feel comfortable labeling him these things especially after multiple times here over the past decade him stating that I'm still brainwashed by my family with islamist rhetoric merely because I was criticizing Israel, a nation state, implying I have anti-Semitic roots in my rhetoric even though he knows well I'm an ex-Muslim atheist.

    So there is a lot of baggage here I'm sure you want to avoid.
     
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  11. deb4rockets

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    Is that a Florida poll? Mine was Americans of all types.
     
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    Wrong... republicans elected trump. And people voted for trump because he expressed ideas they supported. Democrats that criticized trump and his beliefs didn't cause trump to be elected. The people that elected trump have to own their actions.

    And yes, if you are given a chance to vote in 2024 I fully expect you to vote for him.
     
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  13. deb4rockets

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    I do agree that fascism and extremists are dangerous people. I do see the correlation of accepting and sharing those views as someone who agrees with them.
     
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    Well, if Trump wins and trashes the country I hope you won't blame the people who opposed him all along. Yes, some people will be aggressive because it's personal, some of these issues are personal to people and impact their lives. I guess time will tell. This year's midterms are supposed to be a complete red wave domination and yet we have bettors and polls indicating that the GOP might come away with control of congress and that's it. The senate is very winnable for Dems, this shouldn't even be the case yet as we sit here right now, it is. If that's the scenario that happens then you might see some of these people you've celebrated like Desantis back off their radical rhetoric and trash it in the bin because it'll be independent voters they scare off and it'll be Ol Mitch telling his party to cool it with the social issues and go back to talking about the economy.

    I think the polls that @deb4rockets showed are closer to how the country feels. Florida is different. Floridians love Desantis, fair enough, but I think this bill will be a poison cloud that hangs over him should he run for president. LGBTQ+ rights are popular, including the trans stuff, that's why Trump was out there bragging about how much he's for it because even he knew that he had to sell being empathetic to those causes. Going to be a lot harder for Desantis to do that, especially if stories come out about how say a gay teacher had to move from Florida because of the bill...stories like that are already out there...stories like that will be hitting battleground states as local ads about what Desantis is for...and this is 2024 so lots can happen.

    But I guess we'll see, time will tell. I think if we keep giving these people power they will take this country further and further into some imagined pre-50s America they are dreaming of returning to and if that happens I will definitely blame people that let them inch closer and closer instead of stopping them outright.

    The book bans. Going after trans rights. Going after women's rights. These are all BIG FLAGRANT red flags for me personally. That we have senators openly talking about how we need to take away gay marriage...already...and takling about taking away contraception already signals what they plan to do and every election they win the more emboldened they feel. As someone else said, book banners are never on the right side of history.
     
  15. fchowd0311

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    The origin of the "gays grooming kids to be gay through liberal indoctrination" conspiracies came from Nazis. It's a well spread narrative amongst the far right since the 1920s.
     
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  16. fchowd0311

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    Romney and DeSantis are NOTHING alike.



    I disagree with Romney ideologically on many economic issues and that's due a large part to our different experiences in life. But a fascist he ain't.
     
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    So, what would be LGBT grooming? If you answer that, you'll either arrive at the conclusion that what we're seeing is grooming, at least in part, or that LGBT grooming can't happen.

    And again, children also aren't good at critical thinking and are highly impressionable. All the more reason to protect them and all the more reason they would be good targets for LGBT groomers.

    It's not just pretending or empathizing. Unless that limb is between your legs, no one is telling anyone it's normal to lose a limb or to feel that a limb isn't yours.

    Feeling a limb isn't yours is actually a thing, would you support people removing limbs?

    And again, it's not just the dressing up part and pretending you are something for a day. There's a lot more to what is going on in schools than just empathy lessons.

    I realize that disagreement equals demonization for some people, but I prefer compassion over empathy. Intentionally hurting yourself imagining you are going through something terrible doesn't make sense to me.
     
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    Name me one American voter who voted for Trump that would ever seriously consider voting for a Democrat vs Ron Desantis?

    I actually like Aroundtheworld here as a long term poster in the GARM but to me this take strikes me as someone who simply doesn’t know Trump supporters here in the US and especially in Texas. Like everyone regardless of where you are in the world has an opinion and a voice that deserves to be heard, but the fact is opinions like this coming from someone in Germany, are going to get a pretty stark response from people here in Texas who know or in my case are married to Texas public school teachers on the front line dealing with this crap.

    We can grab another topic and have a fruitful conversation with him but on this issue I think @AroundTheWorld just needs to come to grips with the fact that he’s stepped outside his lane. These insane hate filled laws passed by DeSantis and Abbott are going to potentially ruin the lives of people in our personal life. Have a little respect for peoples opinion when it’s this close to home.
     
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    The Art of manipulation and propaganda to brainwash the masses also stems from Hitler"s reign. Trump used that same style, which is why he is so dangerous. Add in the fact that he admires Putin and you have a man who should NEVER be a GOP choice in the future to represent their party in an election again. Honestly, nobody in that family should be.
     
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    These are meaningless platitudes. Empathy and "compassion" aren't some mutually exclusive concepts.

    Empathy is literally an attempt to understand how another sentient entity came to the positions and actions they did. It's literally a way humans advance as a species because without it, humans never learn correct lessons to make human development efficient. If you can't empathize, you will find the wrong solutions trying to interact with people you disagree with. An attempt to understand hardships people.go through is a key component of how human civilization forms.
     

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