[Official] Evan Mobley as a Cleveland Cavaliers thread

Mobley is top 5 in scoring for entire rookie class.

Not bad for someone who is offensively challenged.

And this in addition to being the top 2-3 defensively in entire rookie class.

Elite 2 way players matter.

 

How is it that you so consistently incapable of responding with any kind of qualitative arguments.

I'm more than happy to share offensive stats with you, there are basic stats like shots assisted, or TS%, that would clearly show he's not a good offensive player.

However, I can already expect your response will be in the line of - "Do you really think stats are a good indicator that he is not a good offensive player?"

 

He would not have been this good if he landed on the Rocket because he would not have all the benefits he got at Cleveland... because
1. He would not have a great defensive big man to let him do what he does best on defense.
2. He would not have a good playmaker to set him up on offense
3. He would not have many other competent scoring teammates to lessen the need for him to force his scoring. It would make him less efficient on offense, which is not that great for a big man as is.

Nobody is saying that he is Clint Capela. There are a lot of middle rooms between a Jokic and a Capela in terms of being able to create offense.

If this is not clear enough for you to understand, I don't know what else anybody can say.

 

You don't know that he could have been better because he would have been forced to do more on the Rockets and thereby be farther along in his development, you know, like Green has done.

You sure are claiming as fact a lot of things you cannot possibly know, its all speculation on your part, I have never said he is not helped by others but for some reason you think that this negates everything else he is doing

He just scored 30 points, but somehow he can only rely on others?



He showed range, a face up game, and a post game, all unassisted yet some you act like every bucket is a pass and dunk or set up by some great playmaker.

It's very evident you have not seen him play a lot, this one video shows you how are not the one that understand,

 

I do respond with qualitative arguments, just because I don't pull stats out my ass to try and make a point does not mean you get say what's qualitative or not.

The fact that you think you can prove or disprove any of this with stats tells me you don't really have a clue.

Are you really trying to do a start off to say if Mobley is a good offensive player or not?

Really my guy?



Take that for data!

 

Okay, let's go with data then.

1. PFs have a true shooting of 57.6% this season, Cs have a true shooting of 61.3% this season. Evan Mobley, at TS 54.8%, is well below average.
2. Evan Mobley has 67% of his shots assisted. For comparison, DeAndre Ayton, who is a prototypical finisher around the rim with little to no offensive skills when he came into the league, had 70% of his shots assisted in rookie season, with a 65.9 TS%. Marvin Bagley had even less of his shots assisted (55%) in his rookie season, and had a 56 TS%. No one is going to say Bagley is a good offensive player.
3. Evan Mobley has an eFG% of below 40% in catch and shoot, pull up and other scoring situations. His eFG% is highest when less than 10 feet. For comparison, Franz Wagner has a eFG% of 54.7% in catch and shoot situations.

 

People have already shown you the data and you want to use his highest scoring game highlights to prove your point? I could use Kevin Porter Jr.'s 50-point game to show you he's the second coming of Michael Jordon.

Again nobody is saying that he's a useless offensive player. But if he's a great offensive force, he would have been asked to do more. Now he has the luxury of not being the focal point of opposing defense because of the other options they have.

He has identical TS% as Jalen Green, despite the fact that he's a big man and Green's a guard, and despite the fact that Green is playing with a crappy offensive team and despite the fact that Green's efficiency was in the toilet for a good part of the season. In short, Mobley's efficiency is below average as a big man despite the favorable conditions he's in.

I am not a Mobley hater. I like his game. I still think he might turn out to be a better player than Green IF he develops a more potent offensive game. But you Mobley lovers' doubling down on the claim that the Rockets have definitely picked the wrong guy just doesn't square with the data.

 

I don't know what you think this proves, are you trying to say that he is somehow underperforming?

Mobley plays has played more of a wing and stretch 4 than a C so Ayton has nothing to do with this.

I really don't understand what you think these stats are proving?

What point are you trying to make?

That Mobley is not a good offensive player, is that it?

You are randomly pulling stats for guys that have nothing to do with and without context you are not even talking about where those shots came from or how many ppg they averaged.

I just showed you a video where he displayed his bag and you came back with random stats that don't have any context?

Do better my guy.

Did you really compare Mobley to Bagley?

 

It's clear you don't even know what my point is.

My point was to show he had a deep bag and was not totally dependent on being assisted, nothing more and nothing less

 

Your point is obvious. You want us to ignore all the actual data that tracks the things we are discussing. At a time where the league revolves around analytics. If every team in basketball didn’t invest millions into this stuff then I might see your point, but…..

At this stage, his deep bag translates to lower level efficiency for his position. Again, all this stuff is tracked. And he’s not totally dependent on being assisted…just around 70% of the time.

 

If it's so obvious, please tell me?

What do you think his position is?

This will explain a lot.

 

Every one of your post has the same, identical structure in some way or another. It's either:

1. I really don't understand what X is trying to prove.
2. Do you really think X?
3. What point are you trying to make?
4. Did you really just saying X?
5. Here is a highlight video that proves your data wrong.
6. Data doesn't prove anything.

Literally every single one of your post consists of some form of the above as a "retort".

You are perhaps one of the laziest poster on this board, and there are no attempts whatsoever to formulate any kind of coherent or structured argument. I used to think BobbyTheGreat is the worse, but you legitimately might just have him beat because not even he would flat out imply data and advanced numbers are worthless like you have.

 

flamingdts already told you, with real data. You just choose to ignore it. You aren't on the data train...cool. But the league today revolves around it. It doesn't convince you but all teams rely on it and invest millions into it.

I think he is a 4 or 5, and his "bag" results in lower level efficiency for both positions. Again, flamingdts already posted the data. Here it is again:

Actual data does explain a lot. It's why teams and the league in general invest so heavily in it. For clarity, no one thinks Mobley is a bum. All folks have been saying is our team doesn't have the things he currently relies on to be successful. No one said he doesn't have the skills to improve. He's still a rookie. Only y'all were going overboard calling him the 2nd coming of Duncan and KG (jokes).

 

We're all Mobley fans tomorrow. Rest that ank, Heaven.

 

It's a fair point to argue that Mobley would improve the defense, I don't think it will be by a meaningful amount based on personnel, but I think it will be an improvement.

That being said, whilst the Rockets are fielding the worse defense in the league, their offense is bottom 5 in the league for the season. The Rockets clearly have issues scoring, it just so happens that their scoring issues is not as bad as their defense, but that's not saying much. The roster will be completely overhauled multiple times in the coming years to bring in more talented players to improve on both areas anyways.

 

every thread I walk into @jiggyfly getting yelled at

 

lol

 

Mobley please drop 35 and 15 on them Nets

 

Most of the pro-Mobley crowd spent the year convincing themselves that if Mobley was here instead of Green, that KPJ would be some sort of Darius Garland/James Harden fusion.