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Congratulations to Gov DeSantis

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Jul 31, 2021.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Most of this is tolerance rather than indoctrination.

    Reading a book in which children are free to chose their pronouns is contemporary and not trying to make them turn transgender.

    A lot of it is simply about inclusion and acceptance as opposed to becoming transgender.
     
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  2. AroundTheWorld

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    The whole pronoun thing is BS.
     
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  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Not to some people and it doesn't even hurt or cause any harm to those who think it's BS.

    The old-man-gwt-off-my-lawn is definitely out there but it hurts nobody for children to use the pronouns which make them feel more comfortable.
     
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    Children who haven't been indoctrinated with this BS couldn't give a damn about "pronouns". Only crazy leftists like you propagate this BS.
     
  5. deb4rockets

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    So why make the law? Is there a problem in Florida with teachers talking about the great sex they had the night before, or talking to kids in detail about sex?

    Have thousands of parents of little kids come home with easy to read sex books made for 2nd graders?

    I doubt it. I think it boils down to subtle messaging including the words sexual orientation and gender identity and an ambiguous recourse for parents to sue if anyone mentions two daddies, two mommies, or the fact that some boys are attracted to boys more than girls, and that's ok.
     
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    Look at the post by @The Real Shady. Maybe you are ok with that stuff. Many are not. And that's what that law is about.
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    I'm not sure how aware you are of what the children are watching on YouTube, Twitch, Discord, etc. Pronoun usage is quite common. It is a good idea for them to be aware and tolerant whether they care about using them or not.

    Nobody is forcing them to use them. But it hurts absolutely nobody to use them and be tolerant of others who use them.

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    Franchise Blade (thee, thou)
     
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  8. B-Bob

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    I think you mean old person get off my lawn.

    On topic, I'll never forget the poor tom girl who rode my school bus. We never knew she was a girl because she always wore boy clothes and played sports at recess. On picture day, her parents made her wear a yellow dress and she cried all the way to school, all day at school, and all the way home. Must have been a great photo. I remember wondering how she could still be making tears. "She" just did not in any way identify as a girl or a she.

    Bet "she" was pretty damn ass miserable for a long, long time. Often wonder what happened to her. Hopefully a happy butch lesbian or something. Funny thing is we kids didn't care, and we would not have cared two ***** if we read a dumb book about pronouns. It was just like: is that person good at kickball or not? Are they fun to hang around with? That's about it.

    Ah well. Let's keep making a handful of people miserable so long as the rest of us can have some sort of comfortable pronoun order.

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  9. bobrek

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    When you read "What Are Your Words", what parts did you find that would be confusing or inappropriate for grade schoolers?
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes, allowing students to feel more comfortable is a step in the wrong direction.

    Thankfully DeSantis isn't putting up kids feeling more at home and comfortable.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    @AroundTheWorld

    Question: Are you worried that your kids might learn that other kids choose the pronouns with which they are comfortable?

    Are you worried they might be okay with other kids choosing their own pronouns?

    I get it if you don't want to use pronouns. But why worry about other people choosing their pronouns? How does that hurt you?

    Do you think this law will help prevent them from learning a significant portion of their generation is using chosen pronouns?

    -FranchseBlade (thee, thou)
     
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    I'm not worried. I just think the pronouns are an aberration. They are pure fake virtue signaling. Using them doesn't help anyone and doesn't make you a better person.

    This guy sums it up.

     
  13. JayGoogle

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    So you would have no issues if people just referred to you as a woman? Absolutely 0 issue with it?
     
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    Why should they do that?
     
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    Dude, pronouns matter to most transgender people a lot, in their life they have been living a lie and have suicidal thougths become of it....accepting them as whom they truly are is important.

    And getting a pronoun right is the least we can do to help them out.

    DD
     
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    Why not? You said you didn't care about pronouns but my guess is if people started using female pronouns for you that you'd have an issue with it.

    This is why trans people have an issue with you misgendering them. It's simple respect.

    If I walk up to you call you a 'she' then you might correct me. "I'm actually a man." and if I ignore that then you would rightly take that as disrespect.
     
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    The difference is that me being a man is a biological reality. If someone insists that he or she be addressed as they/them, that's his or her problem, not mine. He or she cannot be more than one person.

    In other words, I understand that a very small minority of people struggle with their gender identity. They should be treated with respect, and should certainly not be discriminated against. But that doesn't mean every freaking virtue signaler out there needs to force their self-perception and how he or she wants to be addressed onto everyone else.
     
  19. JayGoogle

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    but how am I to know that? Some trans people 100% pass and the only way you'd know is if you checked their genitals. Some people are androgynous and you can't tell at first glance, then what?

    However you feel about it, it's a respect thing. You do it, you disrespect them, so you then can't be surprised when they throw that disrespect back or insult you or call you transphobe. Insults don't have to be true to be hurtful.

    The point is, you insult that person. That's cool if you want to stand by that insult, do you, but don't expect everyone to act like you didn't just insult that person or that community. People aren't 'triggered' they are just saying "Well **** you too then"

    People are using them for the same reason that someone wouldn't say a racial slur, it's disprespectful...and it is doubly disrespectful when someone tells you that you've insulted them and you double down on it. If you care about that person or have empathy towards that person or persons you either change your behavior moving forward or apologize.
     
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  20. deb4rockets

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    I asked you your opinion. Don't care about some shady guy's thoughts.
     

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