Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Republicans Are Ready To Announce Their 2024 Bids

I think DeSantis has ruined himself with this bill in Florida, no matter what is in it, it'll always be tied to him as a anti-LGBTQ+ bill and that's going to be a hard shadow for him to dodge come 2024. I'm sure he'll win the primary should Trump not be in it for legal reasons but if he's running against a DNC candidate that isn't Biden...I don't know, that thing is going to stick to him, especially as the GOP continues their war against the LGBTQ+ community, it really should activate moderates and people since it's pretty clear most of the country are for gay rights.

Yall can mark it down and quote me later but I think the GOP is going to regret going so aggressively after abortion and gay rights. It's not going to show in the polling but I think they've done a good job scaring away independent/moderate voters. For what is supposed to be historically an easy win for the GOP in the midterms their lead is like 2 points...compared to previous midterms that's a pretty small lead. considering the Dems had an 8 point lead going into the midterms in 2018 and only took the house and had a 7 point lead in 2020 and took house, senate, and the presidency.

This, along with the fact that the Dems played some hard defense on gerrymandering is making me think the red wave that was predicted won't happen.

The GOP is supposed to win the midterms though, historically, that's just how it always has been...but the betting lines, the aggregate polls...are kins of hinting that things are closer than they should be.

Still too early, Biden might get a bump if this weed legalization goes through and if the Dems wake up on their messaging and stop letting the right wing lead culture wars. I mean they should be shouting from the rooftops. It's crazy we've had GOP senators come out against contraception and suggest that interracial marriage should be left up to the states...Every Dem at once should have ranted about these things for at least a month and set a narrative that "Hey, these people are coming for your rights..."

But the current dem party are all pretty feckless. Dogs with no bite and always on their heels.

 

It might help him win the nomination (maybe) but will absolutely hurt him in the general.

 

yeah, a bill banning the teaching of transgenderism to kindergartners will hurt him in the general

sure, count on that

 

The bill isn't clear on what all it does. But the public perception is that it bans schools talking about anything related to homosexuality and that will hurt him.

The bill is open to being used that way. You can feel differently about where this nation is on that issue if you would like. That's up to you.

 

The problem that DeSantis and others is that if he doesn't go hard Right he might not win the nomination. Many Republicans probably feel that the risk of getting painted an extremist during the general election is less of a risk than not getting enough support during the primaries for not being an extremist.

 

The law isn't just about transgender. It's also regarding same sex relationships and families and proponents of the bill have specifically pointed to things like children books that mention same sex relationships.

 

I believe many on the right are aware of that and inwardly okay with it. They will pretend that they misinterpreted how the bill could be used because it helps them appear less bigoted while having the added bonus of giving them another misinformed cause to attack the media.

Honestly, it's a cowardly way for them to avoid their feelings on an issue where they are out of touch where society has come and the direction it's headed.

 

Perhaps it would help to remember desantis' campaign in 2018... his total embrace of trump, his appeal to those that embraced racism (his speaking at an anti-Muslim group, his speaking to a group that shouted out "bring back the hangin' tree", his own "gaff" about "monkey up the election", pro-desantis robocalls using exaggerated "minstrel voices" and "jungle music" in the background). I don't think anyone needs to worry about desantis appealing to the extremist end of the republican party... he is solidly there and has been there from the start. If anything, he may be further to the extreme than trump.

 

So... explain why the bill doesn't prohibit the teaching of ANY sexually related content to (explicitly) K-3 and (implicitly) any class that one random parent thinks is age inappropriate? It focuses on LGBTQ+. One of the Florida reps tried to make the bill all inclusive, but wasn't successful. Any thoughts as to why?

It will be very difficult for a gay teacher to keep a picture of his/her partner on their desk, but no problem at all for a straight teacher. Is that fair?

 

I am outwardly ok with it.

 

Right. There are some on the right that outwardly willing to show their bigotry. It is helpful to know who is an open bigot and not have to spend the time to trying to discern it. Thank you.

 

Way to jump to conclusions, generalize, and flash your unabashed ignorance. What I am outwardly willing to show is my support of the notion that anything that relates to children's education about sex or relationships should be decided by their parents, ONLY. I don't care if it's hetero or homo education, it is not the place of public schools to teach my children about that stuff, I will handle it. That does not mean I hate homosexuals or trans folks. Just because I don't think that should be taught in schools does not make me a bigot, it makes me responsible parent.

But please, shout bigot or racist anytime there is legislation you disagree with, this is why people think liberals are crazy.

 

Would you criticize the school if your kid's teacher during story time read Snow White and how she lived happily ever after the Prince kissed her and woke her up?

 

You are trying to overly sexualize an ancient fairy tale in hope of making a point. Nice try.

Snow White was never read to me in school so I can't relate to your question anyway. But if it was, it is much easier to explain to my child an ancient fairy tale where hero saves princess in peril. He kissed her forehead, the story doesn't have them fornicating.

 

What does it mean to "teach" homosexuality or transgenderism in a classroom? The problem with the bill is that it is vague. Is referring to a man's male partner or a woman's female partner "teaching" kids of homesexuality? Will school's force teachers to not even allude to the existence of gay people, in fear that they may otherwise face litgation by some overly conservative parent? That seems quite possible.

 

Snow White is super problematic now, feminists hate it because the female is so passive and the Prince forces himself upon her without her consent. then there's the whole "dwarf" thing.

better move on to the next book on the shelf

 

So the exact same story where the hero instead saves and kisses a prince would be fine? No fornicating.

 

Not to me, no.

 

Grimm fairy tales are like Bible stuff... for medieval kids.

 

It wouldn't be fine for you? Even though it's no more sexuality explicit than the original story?