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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ItsMyFault, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. ThatBoyNick

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    Roy Spencer is a real scientist no matter what his critics want to say
     
  3. ThatBoyNick

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    That's an interesting response, I watched the whole video and I didn't see anything close to a criticism questioning if he's a real scientist or not.

    Did you watch the critique or is this response just an assumption of what you think it is?

    I see you talk about climate modeling a lot, I thought it could be an interesting watch for you. There's also a discussion about clouds, which is related to the post I quoted.

    That being said if you don't have time for it I get it, it's Saturday I'm sure you're chilling. I just don't really understand your response to it though.
     
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    good call, I'm on my phone and hate to watch things like that on the phone. will watch it when I get back home. sorry to assume
     
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    Sure he has a PhD in meteorology, believes in intelligent design, and calls climate advocates "Nazi's" - none of that would make him seem biased at all in his views on climate modeling. Of course his one climate science paper (not meteorological) had to get pulled for being unscientific in its arguments.

    But you are right, he's a real scientist for what it's worth. That is true.
     
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    that's more like it
     
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    I once was not convinced that climate change would be that devastating as many claimed. Long before you made many of the arguments you make, I made them - just ask @Ottomaton how heated and infamous are arguments got. But the thing was the more papers I looked at, the more I saw how the anti-global warming alarmists were wrong. Their arguments all fell apart when you looked at the hard evidence and data. I'm just a layman with a lowly bachelors in physics, but someone like @B-Bob can understand and articulate this much better....but the science is rock solid on what's about to happen.

    We don't know how devastating it will be, but it's nearly 100% certain it will be at least very bad. It doesn't matter if there are more low level clouds in the future to serve as negative feedback, it will still warm and be very bad from every aspect (economically, humanitarian, ecological). It's already bad when you look at the rate of animal species dying off especially in the oceans. We're changing the world at an incredible fast rate, and it takes a lot longer than a few hundred years for the global ecosystem to adjust to that. While some localities will benefit, the vast majority of the planet will not as both food production and potable water supplies decrease significantly while demand for both are increasing. Even if you don't buy into the economic doomsday scenarios that many are predicting, there is going to be a significant amount of economic pain associated with what's coming in the next 100 years. Maybe there's amazing technology coming that will solve a lot of the problems we will face, but its a bit crazy to bank on that.

    I get that it may feel that many people exaggerate or overplay what's going to happen in terms of the impact on our lives, but I haven't seen anything credible that it's going to end up being "not so bad." We need to start planning for this now at a global level if we are going to future-proof our economies, but if we are still trapped into a debate on whether it's real or grossly exaggerated, we're only increasing the chances of the doomsayers being right.
     
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    The fraud of climate change is finally being drug out into the light. A good rule of thumb: Any topic in which the Dems/Deep State/Media want to stifle debate is a topic where they are trying to fool the public. The American liberal simply repeats what he/she/ze hear on TV, and all of the sudden the Dems/Deep State/Media have an army of fools at their disposal to further the lies.

    Climate change miserably fails any type of cost-benefit analysis. People are simply not willing to pay $5/gallon at the pump in exchange for unknown and distant climate change benefits.
     
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    The Republican governor of Florida just signed a 640m bill last year to deal with flooding due to climate change.

    Trump submitted a permit application for a wall (not that wall, but a sea wall) in Ireland to protect his Golf course from erosion and flooding due to rising sea levels. The application specifically called out global warming and rising sea levels as justification for the sea wall.

    Trump loves idiots.
     
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    This part needs to be bolded and highlighted because I've found climate deniers can never deny this fact and they have to ask themselves why is this happening?

    In fact, it's so much of a fact that it has a scientific name for it.

    The Holocene Extinction, the 6th mass extinction...that's happening right now. not 4000 years ago, but right now.

    When you look at all the variety of species going away, forever, you have to realize something is going on here.

    You mentioned in the oceans but also insects are dying and doing so quickly. This can't be denied, this can't be hand waved away, this is a huge problem. Whenever I discuss climate change with someone I lead with this, this is the best way for people to understand because people can easily understand the food chain, circle of life, blah blah, that stuff.

    You start talking about graphs and figures and numbers and stuff you lose people...but when you talk about the flora and fauna that is disappearing I think it's a lot easier to get people to understand.
     
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    Their tactic to sandbag and impede change has worked well for over 30 years.

    Americans want to feel good buying their needlessly large trucks and suvs (at a time when the birthrate is below 2) and like telling themselves "the science isn't settled" let alone it being a hoax.

    Doing the right thing takes patience, sacrifice, and change under uncertainty. It's much easier to pretend these lies are true and do little to nothing,
     
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    No flooding or seawalls before climate change.
     
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    Brilliant comment. But here's the thing...climate change doesn't happen over night. The processes today cause change in 50 years. I know that's something that's hard to get one's head wrapped around - and I don't mean that condescendingly because IT IS HARD.

    It literally is something that creeps centimeter by centimeter. It won't really impact you much. Not for the next 20 years. It's not that there's never been floods. It's just how bad they will get. How high you have to build those seawalls. And that's just one tiny aspect.

    Here's a map of Houston in the year 2100. You're grandkids won't be going to Galveston.

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    yeah thanks.
    Hurricanes also seem to be proof every time one rolls in. Turns out if you build more houses in the paths of hurricanes, the $$$ damage from hurricanes goes up.
     
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    Hurricanes aren't really what you need to be worrying about with climate change.

    You can build a levy to protect the shipping channel from a hurricane as sea level increases. What you can't do is build to protect from rain.
     
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    I read a few weeks ago that high tide street flooding in South Florida is getting more regular. The street flooding is due to underground water rising (due to higher sea level there). Can't find that article but here is an older one talking about similar things.

    Rising sea levels have long pressured Miami coastal properties - The Washington Post

    Miami and nearby beach communities have experienced substantial sea-level rise, up to 12 inches over the past century, according to some estimates.

    That includes nearly six inches since the mid-1990s, according to a Capital Weather Gang analysis of federal data. That has led to a 320 percent jump in nuisance flooding in the area over the past 23 years.

    According to a new storm-water master plan released by the city of Miami in April, it would have to spend nearly $4 billion over the next 40 years to protect the city from floods that result from sea-level rise.

    The money would be spent on six-foot-high sea walls, massive underground pipes and wells to control a rapid influx of water. Regardless of how much the city spends, some residents would have to retreat from areas that cannot be protected from flooding.

    The porous limestone underneath Miami allows the rising seas to filter up through the ground, causing flooding during high tides even on sunny days. The groundwater surge threatens freshwater supplies and septic systems, which are already failing in Miami-Dade County.
     
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    Oh yeah, Miami and New Orleans are screwed for sure. Water literally gurgles up storm drains and floods areas.
     

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