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[ official ] Trump for president 2024

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Roc Paint, Nov 27, 2020.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

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    I'm just saying if you want to persuade people, that's how you do it. As a marketer (not a professional many respect for legit reasons), I've long since learned, using facts is far less effective than turning the emotional screws.

    Republicans understand this far far better than Democrats as a whole. You want to be right - sure, you are. You want to affect change, then dump being righteous and start messaging from a perspective that actually resonates.
     
  2. deb4rockets

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    I'm not talking about marketing or messaging. I'm talking about people who are good at marketing but bad at helping anyone but themselves. You have to have empathy for those in need to care enough to help them as a nation.

    Everyone knows there are millions who can't afford basic healthcare. It's not rocket science. It doesn't take marketing. It takes people who care about more than themselves to change that. You have families raising their kids and their families under the same roof, who still can't afford healthcare, even though they work.

    Selfish people don't care. Plain and simple. Low taxes on the rich, loose gun laws, millions spent on the border, banning books, and the the right to freedom of vaccines and masks won't change that. It takes reform and money spent to help those who need help the most. One party sees that, and one party simply doesn't care.

    Oh, and don't believe healthcare reform promises in the next election campaigns from anyone in the GOP, because we know they won't do anything but vote against free or affordable to all healthcare.
     
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  3. rocketsjudoka

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    The sad thing is that Trump’s rural working class base depends quite a bit on government aid.
     
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    ......and they don't want those in the big cities getting any, even though they make up the bulk of the income generated.

    They don't have empathy or want to help those in dire straits, living in apartments in a drug, gun, and violence infested area of a huge city, where they can't even provide their kids a safe upbringing or healthcare.
     
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    DaDakota Balance wins
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    A rising tide lifts all boats.

    DD
     
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    They blame whomever they can - the pharma industry, Bill Gates, Fauci, liberals, BLM, California - those are the reasons the cities "are on fire" and falling apart. They don't realize it's because the rural areas siphon off federal and state tax dollars so they can have more per capita than those who live in urban areas.

    But it's wrong to say they don't care. They donate to charity in high amounts for example. It's not that they don't care, it's that they are tribal and believe those who are suffering is because they made bad choices, and it's up to them to take accountability. They believe in a false narrative - so yes, it very much becomes about messaging.

    If you write them all off, then there is no hope. And so you might as well vote for the GOP because they are winning the propaganda war. Let me restate that - they are winning. They will win the midterms of course, as would normally be expected, but they are well positioned to win in 2024 and they know it. In 2024 they will control the supreme court, both houses in Congress, and the presidency - and will be in lock step to change this country in ways people have never imagined.
     
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    I don't agree that they care. It's as simple as that. We see things differently.

    If basic health needs for every American are not affordable then they don't care about the survival of those who need help the most, and would not support a party that fights against it, regardless of what tax exempt charities or tribe they support or contribute to.

    Healthcare is a basic need for survival that millions of Americans need. We are one of the few Western world countries that can't make that happen because we have a political party that fights against any measures to fund it. If you support that party you are supporting NOT ever changing that. Their charity donations certainly aren't making it happen.
     
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    How could you leave out the main bogeyman? SOROS!!!
     
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    Well, I take it you don't know many conservatives then if you say that.
     
  10. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I personally knew a conservative couple who gave $400,000 to a group in order to purchase an inner city doctor's office building. This office will provide free or minimal cost healthcare (medical, dental, psychological, etc.) to a mostly black clientele.

    I know an even more conservative couple who gave millions in order to get a hospital funded to service an entire community.

    Although my experience is entirely anecdotal, there are plenty of conservatives who donate a shitload of money to help fund those in need, in particular, health needs.
     
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  11. Roc Paint

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    For those interested there’s a big speech about to happen from Georgia in a few hours

    something tells me it may be a little more moving than Joe Biden‘s recent spew in Poland
     
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    Many of the grievances from Trump supporters are legitimate. Rural areas for decades now have been declining in population and economy. Family farms which were once the backbone of rural Americas are disappearing due to large agribusinesses. Industrialization and globalization has taken away a lot of the low cost and low skilled manufacturing jobs that once made it possible to have a good living just working at a factory on an assembly line are gone. Globalization has also taken away mining jobs as other countries can extract for cheaper. At the same time tensions with conservationist have also stopped mining projects in the US. In the meantime things like big box and national chain stores are doing away small town main street stores. On top of that the meth and opiod epidemics have hit rural areas hard.

    The problem that I see is that much of grievances have become tied up with cultural issues as the culture of this country is very much changing. So it's easy to tie in problems of economics to say that demographic shifts have to do with those. That is why we here things like "When God was in schools we didn't have these type of problems." or 'When everyone spoke English we didn't have these type of problems"..

    Honestly I'm not sure how we get past those type of cultural divides.
     
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  13. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    More "the election was stolen bullshit"?

    Is that what you believe?
     
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  14. Roc Paint

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    Not so much
     
  15. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    It's a yes or no question.
     
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    Moving to who? Trump believers?
     
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    Future economic reckoning is a game of short term hot potato

    The diehard tribalists egging each other on knows of the consequences yet only peach responsibility when they're riding b****.
     
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    I was thinking a little bit more of God fear errs
     
  20. deb4rockets

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    The rich are getting richer and the poor and middle class are getting poorer. White, black, brown, rural and urban. It's not about race and skin color.

    The huge corporation billionaires have the market on farming and shopping. They want to keep it that way and they will. They are driving all the family farmers and Mom and Pop store owners, out of business. The few, the richest, bribe the politicians into keeping it that way. The jobs they promise are nothing compared to the tax dollars lost by lucrative deals they are given to open up in states, and all the family owned businesses that can't compete with them. That isn't going to change. It's getting worse.

    The "few" now make more than the rest combined. The "few" can't promise more jobs that they take away. It's not just rural. It's across America. There are just millions more concentrated in the biggest cities, where many can't even afford a home, and live in seedy apts in dangerous areas. Most struggling farmers at least have a home on a huge plot of land, even if they are struggling to survive as well. They just don't have to worry as much about their kids being surrounded by drug dealers, gangs, and violence every day.

    Regardless of whether you live in rural Nebraska or Texas, or LA or Houston pharmaceutical companies and healthcare providers have prices millions can't afford to stay healthy or treat diseases.

    Without government changes we might as well be living in the 1800's when treatment wasn't even available. We pay more for prescriptions than most countries. We have millions less insured than most modern world countries. It's a crisis that needs addressed. It's a crisis that can't be ignored. I knew people who drove to Mexico for prescriptions. How crazy is that? Imagine living next to one of the best Cancer Research hospitals in the world here in Houston, yet not being able to afford help. Sad, disturbing, and sickening.

    As a MINIMUM, this country needs to start providing everyone with free or affordable healthcare!!! They need to take action to stop of the price gouging pharmaceutical company billionaires robbing Americans of affordable drugs.
     

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