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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    "Staying woke" used to be something positive, but the preachers of intolerance have perverted "woke" into something that is negative.
     
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  2. No Worries

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    You were not telling sheeple to STFU. You were just posting tweets telling sheeple (Covidians) to STFU.

    My bad.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    Nope. Your bad.
     
  4. Invisible Fan

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    The two questions you concern shared: "a) the vaccination could have actually been a contributing cause and b) if such severe side effects might be (deliberately) underreported?" have been discussed ad naseum before and after the vaccine rollout.

    That discussion has been drawn out for more than a year and over 2 billion vaccinated with the Western brands America is familiar with.

    It (along with masking/shutdowns) was one of the core hot button issues in America's culture war of Covid under Biden.

    So your questions are neither new nor obscured/censored/hidden. It's been in full discussion across different platforms especially in this very thread.

    The intolerance you're seeing is a reaction from fatigue over these yearlong "innocent questions" without further follow through and in particular, the 2nd charge of a malicious act or deliberate cover-up.

    Like judo replied, there is a risk with blood clotting for some brands, esp with J&J and AZ(non-domestic) vaccines. The reported rate is around 2%. So if you have a death rate of 2% on top of that. You'd see tens, if not hundreds of thousands of blood clot deaths, reported AND underreported to covid.

    Another example of the culture war concerned the "experimental and unproven" MRNA vaccines, where once reports that the Moderna vax could cause heart inflammation, some antivax people were trumpetting it as the Main Contributing Cause, an unforced error with previously-healthy people getting serious complications despite (relatively) rare complications of blood clotting or myocarditis. It's worthy to note that blood clotting or myocarditis also surface as covid symptoms.

    In other words, studies confirming vaccine complications invalidated any covid vaccine usage in their minds by overblowing the reported risk rates, validated their fears of ALL covid vaccines, and bolstered their usage of off-tread homeopathic remedies.

    Given the wide adoption rate and the length of time over these vaccines for complications to surface on a global scale, the burden of proof for these answers is more on these "questioners" rather than for other people to address anecdotal facebook posts.

    That's not a woke-thing nor censorship. More like decorum for well meaning discussions over Concerns and Questions.

    So yes, a cover up is possible. If you uncover the cover up, you may be entitled to a **** load of settlement money.

    The next Erin Brockovich so to speak....
     
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  5. AroundTheWorld

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    Who spoke of a cover-up?

    I reported something anecdotal. I didn't say it was definitely the cause. When I got additional facts, I reported those too. Some of you need to stop trying to shout down everyone and arguing strawmen.

    I have one confirmed case of a good friend who got a myocarditis after getting vaccinated. These are statistically very rare. I don't think it's that far-fetched to wonder why someone I know well had a confirmed case caused by the vaccination when the statistical chance of that is supposed to be so low. I concluded it's random and got all my shots.

    You guys with your "you must not ask questions - asking questions proves you have an ulterior motive" schtick are exactly what's wrong with political discourse.

    If you brand everyone who thinks for themselves a conspiracy theorist, you are in essence only allowing the "official" opinion. That's a totalitarian mindset.

    I have still been learning during this pandemic. E.g., I have learned to understand that official Covid ICU numbers and deaths - at least in Germany - have been dramaticized greatly - looks like at this stage up to 90% of people in hospital with Covid just have Covid as an incidental finding, same with deaths. The majority of reported Covid deaths now in Germany are dying with Covid, not of Covid.

    But even asking questions about this, discussing it would be shouted down by folks like you, and censored on some social media platforms.

    That's an unhealthy and ignorant mindset and debate culture. It prevents continuous learning and new insights. This kind of sick mindset you are displaying has poisoned many colleges already.

    Again, researching facts, trying to understand data, questioning and challenging prevailing narratives is healthy. It's actually the essence of scientific discovery.

    Shouting down others because you think there is only one scientific truth and that is what you have been told is the mindset of flat earthers from the Catholic church trying to shout down Galileo Galilei and threatening him for heresy.
     
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  6. Invisible Fan

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    I don't think my response is a shout down, and you're free to respond why it is.

    The question of a deliberate underreporting could imply cover-up. In isolation, it could mean many other things.

    Past discussion over these same questions over an extended amount of time did broach the charge of a cover up of numbers (from both sides), so many have implied "deliberate underreporting" as a cover-up when no new information is given.

    researching facts, trying to understand data, questioning and challenging prevailing narratives is healthy. It's actually the essence of scientific discovery.
    If you provided that in your initial inquiry, then I'd agree with you as I have before in your other posts in this thread with links.

    Not that what I think or perceive in ultimately matters in your mindset, but it does take efforts on both sides to reach the ideal dialogue you're asking for.
     
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  7. tinman

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    the word woke triggers the D&D
    it's like the Manchurian candidate
    except nobody in the D&D has any film taste so they've never seen that movie
    @Os Trigonum
     
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  8. B-Bob

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    Has the tweeter been to Cali? Have you?
    It's so chill here, restaurants and stores full of maskless people. This looks like drummed up BS to help make people angrier for political gain.
     
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  9. No Worries

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    Aren’t you just asking questions?
     
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    Toddlers still being forced to mask until very recently. Germany is worse overall though (except for toddlers).
     
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    I have to agree that NYC's exemption just for athletes and entertainers doesn't make sense.
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    The Yankees and unvaccinated Aaron Judge are about to start their season. Makes perfect sense
     
  14. AroundTheWorld

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    But STILL masking toddlers!!!!!
     
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    it might make sense from a tourism perspective but it doesn't make sense from disease fighting standpoint.

    At this point these exceptions are just making things worse.
     
  16. Os Trigonum

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    who else here is a big Aaron Judge fan?

    probably deserves its own thread
     
  17. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Is MLB on this board? They are the biggest.
     
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  18. No Worries

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    I’m sure people without toddlers are besides themselves.
     
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  20. superfob

    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    So Florida?
     
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