Why do Republicans vote against free and affordable healthcare? No compassion for those who die because they can't afford doctor visits, hospital procedures and prescription drugs. Show me examples where Republicans propose social services that Democrats vote against then Mr. Know it All.
Yeah, but the original debate you joined between @DaDakota and me was about if you vote for Trump you have no integrity. I hadn't realized you went on a tangent.
I guess you never bothered to read all my subsequent posts about Commander in Chief and the military.
I did but didn't respond because it has nothing to do with what I wrote. I really don't understand what you are trying to argue here. We're talking about why people can have integrity and still vote for Trump. And you've changed it to something else which isn't really something that needs to be debated. Yes that's what a leader should be and not what Trump should be. There's no reason to talk about that because we all know that already.
Dude, this thread is called Trump 2024. It's not an integrity thread. I post what I want. By the way, WTH do you mean that's what a leader should be not what Trump should be. The Commander in Chief most certainly is a leadership role. That leader should follow the same ethics and values expected from the military under him. If you have no honor or integrity you sure as hell shouldn't be able to push that red button or decide if we put our troops in a bad situation that could get them all killed.
Ignorance can definitely overrule integrity as a voter for sure. In the minds of a Trump voter im sure they believe they are doing the right thing based on their intake of information. I know and love plenty of Trump supporters who have a strong moral compass that is clouded by bad information. How you penetrate that firewall of bad information is anyones guess. The first issue is most don’t want that firewall challenged to begin with because of a comfort in their bubble and self identification.
You can't penetrate that firewall with logic. Your only chance is to show them how their false reality is causing pain and conflicts with their moral compass in an emotional way. They have to be the ones that see the conflict and decide for themselves to separate themselves. Instead of telling them that there is no voter fraud and it's made up (the truth they will never believe), they need to see how hard these laws are making it for people, all people, to vote and the damage it is doing to our democracy. They need to see that it is unfair to people. Instead of talking about the legitimacy of the story that Joe Biden removed someone to favor the company Hunter Biden was on the board (obviously fake news fueled by circumstantial facts that the right spins by claiming the left was wrong about the laptop), you're better off showing how corrupt Shokin was and make people realize he needed to go - appeal to their sense of justice around this man and force Republicans to defend him). Here's other examples that you could have had better messaging Keystone Pipeline: Why should we build a pipeline to help Canada export oil to China? Making gas prices go up: Big oil companies refuse to increase production as they make obscene historic profits There problem I see is that democrats try to fight back with facts and the truth, which is ok for the left, but to convince people outside their tribe, they need messaging that is far more emotional
I pointed out how corrupt Trump was to many Trumper supporting friends. I pointed out how many times he's been sued and forced to settle, how as President he had to shut down his charity because they were defrauding veterans group. I got some to acknowledge that he is corrupt but many just fell back to, "they are all corrupt but he's fighting for us." They denial and ability to rationalize is very strong. What's even more unsettling is that I've heard some Trumpers say they know he is corrupt and he cheats the system but they like him for it because he is using that to benefit them. It's the same con that we see on late night TV and YouTube Ads for get rich quick schemes. "LET ME TEACH YOU THE SECRETS OF HOW TO GET RICH!"
Many of the people I know that voted for Trump twice are convinced that they are under threat. That their livelihoods are being wiped out by forces of globalization and immigration. That their culture is under threat from "Wokeness" and "Diversity". That crime is rampant and cities like Minneapolis have already become Hell holes and if they don't stop the Liberal Agenda it is only a matter of time before their suburban and rural communities become the same. They pointed out to the events following the death of George Floyd as proof that the cities have fallen and it's only through supporting people like Trump that will save the rest of America.
I would agree that many of the people who voted for trump at all feel some type of threat and my very small sample size of the people I know who did vote for him think the same thing(s)........Murderers and drug dealers are coming in from Mexico and the left just lets them in, the evil dems want to take there guns, non whites coming for their jobs, the CRT is a new wrinkle but in reality shines a light on how racist each and everyone is (of the people I know) and now you have people like MTG and Gatez who fan the fire of "the left is a bunch of whack jobs" who want to ruin this country. Everyone who I know that voted for Trump is no longer associated in my life which is fine........my parents voted for him and I cant abandon them and we have come to the conclusion that we do not talk about politics at all.......oh I do like to get a few cheap shots in every now and then LOL
There is no argument - integrity is an always thing either you have it, or you don't. It is not a pick and choose thing. DD
I knew a dude who left America because Trump became president. Actually he's enjoys his life now living from country to country. First, he moved to Canada, then Thailand, then he's moving to Brazil. He did come back to Austin because some tenants burned down his house during the freeze and had to talk to lawyers and insurance. But yeah, the only person who REALLY hated Trump to that degree left America. Strangely he's not too happy with current state of America when he came back under this administration either. You can't do this lifestyle unless you are financially independent though. @Sweet Lou 4 2
If watching half a million people die of Covid when the pandemic was raging, with nurses and doctors pleading and crying for people to mask up and social distance didn't rip at their heart I don't see reaching their emotions. Even on some of the death beds nurses said people were still in denial. Even when makeshift morgue trucks were packing in the dead, emergency rooms were full, and elective surgeries were a thing of the past, they gathered in rallies and cheered Trump on when he was calling Covid a hoax. It doesn't get more real or emotional than that. If that didn't wake them up I doubt there is any way to tug at a die hard Republican's emotions to wake them up to truth. Even after all that, a huge percentage took a no vaccine stance to show their loyalty to their party. Thousands more died needlessly because they refused to vaccinate, but by God they had the Freedom of choice to go out wearing that MAGA hat to their grave.
Republicans are by and large extremely selfish people, they vote based upon their own best interests, nothing more, they are small minded, pretend to be Christians so they can live with their selfishness, and their policies hurt people...but they don't care because they only care about themselves. DD
They don't see that part. You can't truly care about lifting up those in need if you support a party that calls that socialism, as their excuse to vote no against funding the ones who need help most to survive. Affordable healthcare, affordable education, and a true living wage, can not only save lives, but give people a chance to better themselves and our nation. I never had to worry about those things to survive, but millions do, and I care. We can be so much better as a whole if we lift people up and give them hope.
