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[Official] Astros Off-Season

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Nov 3, 2021.

  1. IdStrosfan

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    I just don't see the team NOT using the 2 extra spots for pitching.

    There are too many arms that thevteam needs to decide on, short spring ramp up, and the versatility of the position players ( Altuve, Alvarez, and the catchers are the only ones who can't play multiple positions)

    Maldy, Castro, Gurriel, Altuve, Bregman, Diaz, Alvarez, Brantley, McCormick, Tucker are locks.

    That leaves a SS, OF who can play CF, and a bench player as the remaining needs and 3 spots.

    Goodrum, Pena, Taylor Jones, Joe Perez, and Jose Siri are left on the 40 man.

    Brinson is the only NRI with MLB experience ( except De Goti who played 2 games as a COVID replacement last year). That makes him the only reasonable possibility from this group.

    SS) Pena and Goodrum are the options.
    Pena is the stated front runner and Goodrum is more suited as a utility guy. Pena wins it unless the team decides he needs more time at AAA

    backup CF) Siri and Brinson are the options.
    With his experience with the club lastvseason and in the playoffs, Siri has the edge. Brinson not on the 40 man hurts his chances more as another player would need to be removed to make a spot for him.

    Bench) Taylor Jones, Joe Perez and whichever players lose out on the previous 2 position battles are the options.
    Goodrum is the front runner here unless he wins the SS job. In that case I expect Jones to make the team and Pena, Perez, and Brinson or Siri to start at AAA. Perez just doesn't have the experience and if either Goodrum or Pena are in the minors the team doesn't have enough versatility to keep both Siri and Brinson.
     
  2. IdStrosfan

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    Siri is not a young top prospect with little to no upper level minors experience that you're expecting to be an all star level starter and therefore give him seasoning.

    He is at the stage of his career where he belongs on the MLB bench if he is the 4th best OF option as opposed to playing everyday in the minors.

    The minors are for developing future stars and stashing your 6th best OF until yiu need a fill in.

    Siri in 2022 doesn't fit either scenario.
     
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    They're both. Siri is old enough, but lost quite a few PAs the last several years as have many who would traditionally be looking for that leap that comes from experience.

    But I'm old school. I still mourn the DH ruining the game.
     
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    So I've seen Bryan Reynolds as a future potential target on here and looks like the asking price is huge. Apparently the Pirates and Marlins had discussions regarding him. Allegedly, Marlins were fine with adding Kahil Watson, last year's 1st round pick but apparently the Pirates also wanted 2020 3rd overall pick, Max Meyer. Which Astros prospect would be the equivalent of Watson and Meyer? And I'm assuming everyone would pass on that type of deal for Reynolds.
     
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    We don't have the Top Prospects, but we have MLB ready prospects and financial flexibility. It's no slam dunk, but we're in the picture.
     
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    That’s not an unreasonable price. I would say the equivalent would be Pedro Leon and Hunter Brown. I wouldn’t think that as a great deal for Houston but I would probably be ok with them making that trade. Reynolds is proven to be a very good MLB player and he has 4 years of control remaining.
     
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  8. Snake Diggit

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    Pham to the Reds for $7.5M/1yr. Very fair deal and I wouldn’t have minded seeing him in Houston for that price. Conforto is now the only remaining free agent that projects to be an impact player.
     
  9. IdStrosfan

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    I am looking forward to see what Leon and Briwn can do as MLB players. As a fan. Hoping they are the next Springer and McCullers

    That said they are both outside of the top 100 on most prospect lists and barely in when they are. Both have serious question marks ( Leon's hit tool and Brown's command)

    Pittsburgh wouldn't necessarily laugh at the offer but say AND. . .

    It would take at least another player like McCormick or a prospect in our top 10 for them to seriously consider the offer.

    I'm not sure I would like it. What I have read is that Reynolds is ok in CF but more suited for LF long term.

    I would prefer a package of Brown, McCormick, Ivey, and Barber or Whitaker.

    Less talent but closer to MLB less risk of bust and double the chances to hit (4 players vs 2)

    That way Leon is still the CF of the future and pairs with Reynolds and Tucker to for a solid OF
     
  10. Marshall Bryant

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    It's a calculus about two player who have the potential to be as good, but haven't proven it against a player who has proven it but could be a flash in the pan. You also have to factor in higher awards in arbitration and minimum salary and remaining options.

    The point is, these aren't options if you don't have cap space to make the trade. You get value in players (both prospects and MLB) and salary relief. Without the high prospects, you have to emphasize MLB ready and MLB players and salary relief. Without High prospects or salary relief, you get taken to the cleaners.

    But if you think Correa is Ohtani and Trout, I think you are mistaken. He might not even be a top 3 SS. Semien, Tatis and Lindor could all make a case of being superior.
     
  11. J.R.

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    Astros 13th most valuable franchise

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2022/03/24/baseballs-most-valuable-teams-2022-yankees-hit-6-billion-as-new-cba-creates-new-revenue-streams/

    1. Yankees | Value: $6 billion | One-Year Change: 14% | Owner: Steinbrenner family | Operating Loss: $40 million
    2. Dodgers | Value: $4.075 billion | One-Year Change: 14% | Owner: Guggenheim Baseball Management | Operating Loss: $8 million
    3. Red Sox | Value: $3.9 billion | One-Year Change: 13% | Owner: John Henry, Thomas Werner | Operating Income: $69 million
    4. Cubs | Value: $3.8 billion | One-Year Change: 13% | Owner: Ricketts family | Operating Income: $68 million
    5. Giants | Value: $3.5 billion | One-Year Change: 10% | Owner: Greg Johnson | Operating Income: $32 million
    6. Mets | Value: $2.65 billion | One-Year Change: 8% | Owner: Steve Cohen | Operating Loss: $96 million
    7. Cardinals | Value: $2.45 billion | One-Year Change: 9% | Owner: William DeWitt Jr. | Operating Loss: $34 million
    8. Phillies | Value: $2.3 billion | One-Year Change: 12% | Owner: Middleton family, Buck family | Operating Loss: $17 million
    9. Angels | Value: $2.2 billion | One-Year Change: 9% | Owner: Arturo Moreno | Operating Loss: $2 million
    10. Braves | Value: $2.1 billion | One-Year Change: 12% | Owner: Liberty Media | Operating Income: $83 million
    11. Rangers | Value: $2.05 billion | One-Year Change: 15% | Owner: Ray Davis, Bob Simpson | Operating Income: $97 million
    12. Nationals | Value: $2 billion | One-Year Change: 4% | Owner: Lerner family | Operating Income: $36 million
    13. Astros | Value: $1.98 billion | One-Year Change: 6% | Owner: Jim Crane | Operating Income: $29 million
    14. Blue Jays | Value: $1.78 billion | One-Year Change: 6% | Owner: Rogers Communications | Operating Loss: $52 million
    15. White Sox | Value: $1.76 billion | One-Year Change: 4% | Owner: Jerry Reinsdorf | Operating Loss: $10 million
    16. Mariners | Value: $1.7 billion | One-Year Change: 4% | Owner: John Stanton, Chris Larson | Operating Income: $71 million
    17. Padres | Value: $1.575 billion | One-Year Change: 5% | Owner: Ron Fowler, Peter Seidler | Operating Loss: $32 million
    18. Tigers | Value: $1.4 billion | One-Year Change: 11% | Owner: Ilitch family | Operating Income: $31 million
    19. Twins | Value: $1.39 billion | One-Year Change: 5% | Owner: James Pohlad | Operating Income: $10 million
    20. Rockies | Value: $1.385 billion | One-Year Change: 7% | Owner: Charles and Richard Monfort | Operating Income: $14 million
    21. Diamondbacks | Value: $1.38 billion | One-Year Change: 5% | Owner: Ken Kendrick | Operating Income: $40 million
    22. Orioles | Value: $1.375 billion | One-Year Change: -4% | Owner: Peter Angelos | Operating Income: $83 million
    23. Pirates | Value: $1.32 billion | One-Year Change: 3% | Owner: Nutting family | Operating Income: $64 million
    24. Guardians | Value: $1.3 billion | One-Year Change: 12% | Owner: Lawrence and Paul Dolan | Operating Income: $71 million
    25. Brewers | Value: $1.28 billion | One-Year Change: 5% | Owner: Mark Attanasio | Operating Income: $29 million
    26. Reds | Value: $1.19 billion | One-Year Change: 10% | Owner: Robert Castellini | Operating Income: $0
    27. Athletics | Value: $1.18 billion | One-Year Change: 5% | Owner: John Fisher | Operating Loss: $9 million
    28. Royals | Value: $1.11 billion | One-Year Change: 5% | Owner: John Sherman | Operating Income: $47 million
    29. Rays | Value: $1.1 billion | One-Year Change: 4% | Owner: Stuart Sternberg | Operating Income: $45 million
    30. Marlins | Value: $990 million | One-Year Change: 0% | Owner: Bruce Sherman | Operating Income: $25 million
     
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  12. Snake Diggit

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    From six hundred milly to two billy in 10 years…not bad, Crane.

    Judging from that, any team with a payroll <$100M is really doing their fans a disservice.
     
  13. Rileydog

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    Do we expect to break camp with Peña at SS or will he likely be deemed to need more AAA ABs/service time decision?
     
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  14. Marshall Bryant

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    13th Valuation and 10th Payroll - Doesn't sound cheap to me.
     
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    With Pena unless 0 for Spring or injury.
     
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    Just a personal note - Once again I celebrate my birthday while Spring Training is going on.

    I'm 14 years older than I thought I would be when I died and now the age my father was when dementia change him into someone I didn't recognize.

    Talk about mixed feelings.
     
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  17. Squirtle

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    I think break camp with him at SS.
     
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  18. Marshall Bryant

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    Valuation of this nature is tricky. It's basically projected Income vs Rate of Return. We just went through increased valuations at least partially based on lowering required Rate of Returns. If that changes, values could plummet as fast as they rose.

    ROR - 14% is worth 1/4 value of ROR of 3.5% value assuming constant Income adjusted for inflation.
     
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  19. Marshall Bryant

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    Does anybody know if any free streaming service is carrying today's game? My go to streams aren't carrying Spring Training games. They focus on betting and nobody in their right mind would bet on a Spring Training game.
     
  20. Fulgore

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    How are the rangers worth more than Stros?
     
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