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KPJ and NBA players who struggled with being professional

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Mar 21, 2022.

  1. flamingdts

    flamingdts Member

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    Why is KPJ at all being compared to HOF's, they are nowhere close in talent and the context is not even remotely similar.

    Players like Barkley, or Wallace were top picks in the draft, their attitude was tolerated due to their immense talent and on-court abilities. If anyone wants to compare players with attitude issues against them, Demarcus Cousins would be the closest.

    As for guys that were not drafted higher up? Draymond Green or Rodman? Players that literally started their career coming off the bench and being known for their hard-nose defense and work ethic on the court.

    KPJ is closer to the likes of Ricky Davis, Anthony Randolph or Delonte West in terms of circumstances. Players that are not franchise changing talent that developed attitude issues.
     
  2. jiggyfly

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    What does him being a top tier player have to do with anything?

    Yes he has improved professionally.

    Yes i would hire an employee like him because he is in the top 5% of talent on the planet and lots of industry's hire people like him who are talented all the time.

    It's very apparent you don't know what happens in the real world, let alone in the world of sports.

    Thanks for letting me know you are not being rational about any of this.
     
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  3. clutchdabear

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    people who are defending kpj are dying on the wrong hill. it's only going to get worse from here with kpj on the rockets.

    forget the fact that he's a terrible teammate and has already quit on the team multiple times. it's really difficult to see how kpj is ever going to improve. he never attends voluntary workouts. he clashes with coaches who give him constructive criticism. and he doesn't show any passion for the game - this is the same fool who was trying to buy **** from johnny dang during a timeout in a game against the warriors in feb. during a ****ing timeout...

    no other team in the nba is willing to take on this fool. we shouldn't be willing anymore either.
     
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  4. Reeko

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    people will continue copping pleas until the cows come home for this dude

    enough already
     
  5. StrawberryJamm

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    Sorry I'm lagging, are we supposed to be begging KPJ to ball out and ruin the tank so we can blame him for it? Is that the plan?
     
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  6. jiggyfly

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    There is no hil to dye on defending KPJ if he never plays another game do to blowing up I would not give a dam.

    The fact that you think there is some mythical hill tells a lot about you and how much you want him gone.

    There is nothing to back up the fact that he is a terrible teammate, and he has already improved,

    the fact that you can't even admit that shows you have a bias.

    Its amazing you have to go to conspiracy theory type **** to trash the guy, must suck to be you.

    Enough what already?

    Now everybody has to hate him with a white-hot passion like you?

    The fact that any defense of KPJ makes a lot of people feel some kind of way is amazing.
     
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  7. clutchdabear

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    hahahahahaha
    you actually think this is some conspiracy type ****??? all of kpj's antics are actual events that happened.

    the only bias that i have is that of the rockets. and i know having kpj on the team is detrimental to the rockets.
     
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  8. jiggyfly

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    You know?

    Ok?
     
  9. Reeko

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    excuse after excuse for KPJr…next time he leaves at halftime, responsibility will probably get redirected towards Silas or something
     
  10. clutchdabear

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    lol... most of us already know. some reason you decide to selectively remember only kpj's few positives and ignore all of his glaring negatives.
     
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    KPJ is a 21 year old lottery ticket with talent and a lot of baggage, that has stepped in beautifully to drive this tank. He obviously shouldn't be extended at a high number, and doesn't look like the point guard of the future at the moment.

    We are currently projected with best odds at the #1 pick in the draft and going into games against bad teams to end the year.

    Not being able hold off for the right time for KPJ judgement day has been selfish, you've quit on the team.
     
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    Ok.
     
  13. Stephen_A

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    Again still don’t understand your tone. Not sure what company you work for but in most organizations having a good name goes a long way and opens or closes doors for an individual. Irrational behavior and bad character or insubordinate actions reflect negatively. I am not asking about talent. Apparently he has enough to be in the NBA as a marginal player and everyone including you and I knows he is in the NBA so that discussion is irrelevant. I asked you specifically about whether this is an employee you would want in an organization period. Judging by his performance and actions is this someone you would want? But you weren’t focused on the question and deflected into talking about talent.

    You ask me what does being a top tier player have to do with anything? I already mentioned Barkley and Rodman were top tier players or really great at their craft. They handled their business on the court. You argued against this. And I ask again is KPJ a top tier player with all the antics and nonsense?

    You call barkley etc unprofessional or lazy but at the end of the day they are great performers and back it up with all star games, accolades or championships. It took a certain discipline and hard work to get there. KPJ hasn’t done anything and regressed despite you arguing and getting upset for him.
     
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    None of the companies are like professional sports if you can't understand that there is no need to go on.

    Talent trumps everything else in professional sports and players have done far more and still been in demand than KPJ.

    It's simple you just don't like KPJ that's cool but stop trying to act like normal business rules apply, We even hear of reprehensible conduct all the time in Big Corp so this is not even a sports thing.

    KPJ has nowhere near regressed, and it shows either you do not have a clue or your hate for KPJ is so strong you cannot even admit that.

    Anyway I am done on this topic you do you.
     
  15. Rocket River

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    KPJ is a Gamble
    The Rockets took it.

    Honestly . . .kind of like buying a lottery ticket and winning 4 bucks
    You didn't lose money but it is not what ya hoped for.
    BUT YOU KEEPING THE 4 BUCKS
    Maybe get TWO LOTTERY TICKETS FOR IT

    Rocket River
     
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  16. Stephen_A

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    lol now ur contradicting yourself
     
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    Wondering if DD forgot the Birdman is white when he compiled this list.......
     
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  18. DaDakota

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    Yeah, he doesn't know - and the Rockets have decided he is good to have on the team - or else they would have dropped him.

    For some reason, some fans are a Green vs Porter situation - when it is BETTER if they are both good - both have improved a ton, and Porter is learning an all new position as well.

    I created this thread to talk about other NBA players that had maturity issues, and to give context to whether they worked out, or not - it doesn't matter if they were HALL OF FAMERS or drafted early....who the **** cares about that?

    This is 100% about, were they able to overcome their immaturity and play well, some were, some were not......

    I have no clue if KPJ is going to work out here, or in the NBA - but Lebron thinks he is very talented, and as much as I like Clutchfans - he probably knows more about what it takes in the NBA than all of us combined.

    Doesn't mean he will make it, but it probably means that if someone like Lebron believes he has a better chance than most.

    What? Of course not - Birdman was nuts.....but I asked others to add to the list those guys were all off the top of my head and had major things....like Sprewell, Artest and Maxwell all punching fans or choking coaches....

    I don't make everything about race, am agnostic about such things. And the NBA has a much higher percentage of African Americans - which means the majority of any list, all time greats, best rebounders, most immature are going to skew that directions....it is not racism - it is math.

    DD
     
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  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Thought of another one like KPJ - Patrick Beverly

    Also kicked off his college team......

    Might be good to sign him as a backup leader type next season.

    DD
     
  20. flamingdts

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    Patrick Beverley and KPJ are absolutely nothing alike, that's an incredible insult to Beverley.

    Beverley knew his limits as a player, is nowhere near as talented and gifted as KPJ, but when given a chance to play for an NBA team, worked his butt off to stay on an NBA team.

    He is the last guy to quit on the court, hustles every play, practiced key skill sets (3PT shooting) in order to fit next to Harden. He's the prototypical example of a player who has limited basketball talent, but works hard every day to make himself useful to any playoff team. There is a reason why Beverley, despite being far less talented than Lin or his rival Westbrook, is outlasting both of them in terms of on-court productivity.

    John Lucas is as good a mentor as you can have for KPJ, he's a recovered addict who actively oversees programs to help other struggling athletes, and KPJ threw stuff at him in the locker room. If Beverley was in the locker room when KPJ did that, KPJ wouldn't have driven out of the arena, an ambulance would have done that instead.
     
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