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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Russian stock "exchange" (sic) "reopens" (sic)... only trading government bonds, ... which had a very bad day.

    "In pre-market trading, yields on those government bonds rose by almost 20% - the highest on record. A higher yield means the government will have to pay more to borrow and indicates the investment is more risky. The yield later settled close to 13% after trading began."
     
  2. adoo

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    if only China bails on the Ruskies, towards bringing the Russian economy to its knees


    just my guess,

    economics will run its course, China will do what's good for its economy.
    it gains more economic benefits from the large US consumer base than helping Putin

    China can be many things, stupid it is not
    it will bail on Russia who,

    as recently as the 1960s (when the PRC was in the midst of its own economic folly,
    the Great Leap Forward policies, w widespread famine),
    was considering a nuclear attack on the PRC​
     
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  3. Space Ghost

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    We are not going to war directly with Russia. This WWIII talk is nonsense. I don't think Kamala Harris is dumb enough to do that.

    The media loves fear and war p*rn. Very frequently the initial fever pitch is way off base. Otherwise we would never wear masks. There doesn't have to be a good side/bad side in war. There can be better/good and worse/bad. But Americans are notoriously familiar with entrenching themselves in the "lesser of two evils" camp, which always leads them to dealing with both evils eventually.
     
  4. No Worries

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    "America First" clearly is about isolationism but it is also about American Exceptionalism which is why it is so odd hearing so many of these people now justify Putin's actions based on previous American actions.

    Sure people can change their minds but we're not seeing a reasoned reconsideration of previous positions but a reflex opposition based on partisanship.
     
  8. B-Bob

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    Not to mix threads, but those killed in action numbers are like an average-to-bad coronavirus week in the US, and we get pissy about inconvenience.
     
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    I say we send them Christian Wood immediately
     
  10. Space Ghost

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    "Not involved" is often the best solution. Our country has often choosen not to get involved and its usually decided based on the benefit of the establishment.

    There are people who simply believe we should provoke conflict until we send our young men off to die, regardless if history has suggested proxy wars were not in our best interest.

    I dont think it was the best idea to push Zelenskyy into fighting an unwinnable war against Putin. Its even worse when the world is celebrating Russian kills, against inexperience troops, giving false hope. NATO made it very clear they would not come to Ukraines rescue. Now the entire country is at risk of being razed for what? The inevitable outcome?

    You and I are both extremely predictable. I am highly skeptical of the establishment while you fully embrace the establishment. Claiming "we didnt have all the data" is no more of an excuse for failure than not executing an action for the lack of data.
     
  11. Rileydog

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    because Biden.
     
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    someone with good internet research skills can find where this was cut and paste from. There are too many SAT words here for it to be authored by the mojoman.
     
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    It does not matter if you or I or anyone is for it or against war. It is what it is. Just because war is bad does not alter the reality of it.

    What would be perhaps even worse would be a one-world government with you guys in lock-down dominant control of it. In fact, there are things that are worse than war.
     
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    LOL. Keep us posted on the results of that search, will you please?
     
  15. rocketsjudoka

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    So you think this war is about a one world government?
     
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    Who pushed Zelensky into fighting an unwinnable war?
     
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    Dude Zelensky was asking for Javelin's from the Trump administration to help potentially fight off a Russian invasion just weeks after getting elected DEMOCRATICALLY.

    This whole notion that this is something we had a hand in (pushing Zelensky as a puppet/proxy to antagonize poor ole Vlad) is pure Kremlin propaganda in order to minimize Ukraine's wants or needs as an independent country. Look at Afghanistan as an example. The US cannot make a country want to fight for their independence, or their future.

    As I said... doing absolutely nothing is not a position that the most powerful country in the world militarily can do in this situation. Does that mean going to war... no... but it does mean having discussions with all sides via diplomacy (check), using your economic power to influence peace & stability (check), providing humanitarian aid (check), and making sure that military resources are provided for those who want to defend their country against tyranny (check).

    The US right now is already doing the bare minimum, and probably should be doing more. All you are doing here is reciting Kremlin talking points that get recited from Tucker Carlson every night.

    Point being: You've said absolutely nothing yet about how Trump said in the past two days that he'd send nuclear submarines within striking distance of Russia and taunt Putin.... yet you are here ALL DAY to criticize Biden for..... doing what??... providing Javelins and air defense weapons??? For putting sanctions on Russia??? Honestly dude... you actually sound like a freaking Russian Putin supporter right now whose just mad that your Ruble is in the tanker, and you can't travel to Disney world this Summer now in the US. It sounds pathetic.

    The US could be doing a whole hell of alot more... like threatening nuclear war like it's a game like Trump said he'd do.
     
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    No. But it does clarify that we live in a multipolar world and not a unipolar world, which appears to be an extremely upsetting revelation for the North Atlantic globalist elites, as their frantic and overwrought response to this war demonstrates.
     
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    putin's puppets toeing the company line...

     
  20. dobro1229

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    No he's talking about the Evangelical fever dream misinterpretation of the book of Revelation.

    When John wrote the book of revelation he was clearly talking about Nero, and the Roman empire. It's used as a metaphor in more modern translations to describe.. well fascism, and corrupt dictatorships. Revelations could metaphorically describe the end of the world for sure if the wrong dictator does actually destroy the world via nuclear war or something like that in the future....

    ... but that's probably not Joe freaking Biden. The guy can't even get Joe Manchin to not take away the Child Tax Credit everyone was relying on for groceries.

    The UN is the closest resemblance of what Evangelicals describe, and constantly lose their sh$t over on the 700 club. It's the big boogeyman they always try and use, but again as we've seen lately their power is hardly unified, and doesn't do much of anything to prevent an autocrat tyrant who decides he doesn't care anymore and will just bomb another country into oblivion.

    I'm not worried about a "one world government" like Evangelical nuts are. I'm afraid of corrupt autocrats with too much power and too many weapons at their disposal. When you are a hammer everything looks like a nail. War affects our lives even if it's on the other side of the world. Wheat prices are going to go through the roof, and gas prices are already high. War affects even Mojo's boring life way more than the UN ever will.

    Not to mention the fact that Vladamir Putin probably has a nuke pointed at Houston Texas right now as we speak or could have one pointed there in minutes. Please tell me again how a "one world government" like an expanded UN is more scary than thinking about Putin pointing a nuke at Houston Texas to knock out our energy infrastructure.
     
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