How many of you would change gender to win a championship?

Nah women sports will be fine.

If you haven't noticed the loudest voices about this issue hated transgender people before this issue arose. I'm not referring to the actual woman athletes who have legitimate complaints.

 

I would get a boob job to win a trophy with the Rockets.

'Here comes the middle-aged ahem 'large chested' white wonder up the court himself! And he misses a layup. God bless him, he's 1 for 30 tonight but he's the best glue guy in the NBA!'

 

Women’s sports will be fine. My point is that **** tends to run down stream… and the women tend to be down stream in our world so women are yet again just being told to shut up and deal with it.

 

Well to a large degree the "me too" movement has created the environment where if you say something critical of a policy meant to support women, you can be labeled a sexist. Now ironically, women athletes face this challenge where they can't push back without facing criticism or attacks that they may understandably fear will hurt future job prospects. But I disagree this is the trend of women being told to shut up and deal with it. We're talking about one athlete who won one race and lost the 2 other she competed in, not to mention a lot of other transgender athletes who never get close to placing.

The majority of cases of transgender athletes are like this:

Spoiler: Example

You can't tell me that this girl should be made to compete on the men's team. But now that's the law in Iowa. Does this person rob women in athletics?

 

Would I lop off Mister Happy so I could be better at sports?

"Hard" no on that one. "Soft" no, too.

 

It's not a problem until it's a problem. Until transgendered athletes win disproportionately to their percentage of the population, it's really no different then letting a tall person play basketball. Now if every dude cuts off his junk to win a swim meet or the UFC, then that would be an issue.

 

That's not the question at all, and I don't know why anybody thinks it's a relevant question.

The real question is, is it fair to women athletes, point-blank.

 

I don't agree with this at all.

Why don't we just not have age restrictions or weight limits if that's all it is?

 

How can you wave this away because of whom the loudest voices are, and then also say women have legitimate complaints.

I guess its just **** the women because, right?

 

Let's list the F'ed up isht people have done to win.
Starting from a tire iron to the knee
to
Drugs that will shorten your life by 20 yrs

Rocket River
sooo. . . .. I dunno if I could just dismiss this out of hand

 

Me Too was a response to blatant and systemic sexual misconduct and misogyny by men against women.

It isn't lost on a lot of women, and feminists that the movement has been hijacked and now is being used against women in many cases.

Women have always put their causes and welfare to the side because they are mothers and wives and usually have to keep families together.

Women have put their causes to the side for the fight for the rights of black people, children, the disabled and now LGBTQ.... no other group does that, and it has traditionally been women that have been the progressives calling for change.

Now, those born as female are being told to just "deal with it".

I don't think the concern is "most" transitioning or transitioned women.... the concern is at the professional level and it isn't something that impacts most of us, but it does those women that are competing at the highest level.

I know of a situation where a very liberal family as three daughters. One of the daughters is in high school and had invited 5-6 female class mates to a sleep over. She did not invite a transgender woman that has not fully transitioned, and two years prior was a male. She was blasted on social media and called a bigot. The school called her parents and accused her of not being inclusive..... Her mother relented and invited the transgender girl to the party.... and then complained that the other girls discussed their periods.

I am in favor or transgender rights but it isn't always as clean cut as some think.

 

Me too has been hijacked and is used against both men and women at any perceived slight to be construed as sexual harassment. It's being weaponized but it has its roots in fighting sexual misconduct. But now if some makes an awkward joke or even says the wrong word they face being compared to Harvey Weinstein.

I don't disagree that it's not clear cut. And I don't disagree that there is a lot of pressure on anyone not to push back against transgender athletes.

But I just don't see this "women have put their causes to the side for the fights of others" sacrifice. I've never heard any woman say that they need to sacrifice their goals for other groups. Never. So I am not sure where this is coming from.

 

Can you provide examples of these loudest voices

 

this thread is awesome!

these trans are really decepticons

 

Anything short of pros or Olympic level/international competition, particularly tied to an academic setting with young people, is about inclusion and personal development. A lot of the people feigning concern for women's athletics wouldn't have funded any of them forty years ago: women coaches, administrators and veteran women athletes who had to fight to even get paid or have any kind of adult career in their sport know that and are stopping short of endorsing outright exclusion. That's not even considering all the historical LGBT nastiness tied to women's sports coverage. "But we say that about all of them," Frank Deford trying to convince his editor to cover Billie Jean King.

Don't forget when the part of the country that can seemingly now only elect racist white coaches wouldn't recruit or sign black athletes; same ****ing family tree.

 

The race comparison is stupid

I don't care about women's sports. I think it's stupid that people think women's basketball not basketball not being on television as much as men's is unfair. It's clearly not as marketable

It's not anti transgender. It's commonsense.