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Paolo Banchero vs Chet Holmgren

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by MystikArkitect, Nov 9, 2021.

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Chet "The Jet" Holmgren or Paolo "The Lambo" Banchero?

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  1. cmoak1982

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    That one is tough. Mobley is doing it in the league now. They’re both legitimate DPOY candidates. Chet is longer but Mobley is more complete body.
    There is no wrong answer imo.
     
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  2. larsv8

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    Honestly Sengun hasn't shown enough to even ask the question about how a guy fits next to him.

    Best Player Available, everytime.
     
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  4. cmoak1982

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    While I don’t agree that Sengun hasn’t shown enough, I do agree that best players is the best way.
    It just so happens the best (Chet) and second best (Jabari) fit great next to Sengun and Green
     
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  5. YOLO

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    Chet can play next to any type of big in the frontcourt with his versatility. That's one of the huge parts of his upside. He's not limited like other bigs like Duren who are pnr prototypes who can't shoot
     
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  6. YOLO

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    i don't think anyone can get a clear choice here without the obvious recency bias with Mobley in the league already and playing over half the season. Who is also going to be roy. So we already have somewhat of an idea of how he's doing in the league at this point.

    If both came out at the same time, it would be 1a and 1b
     
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  7. Denovo

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    My personal preference would be Chet. He’s more developed offensively than Mobley was in college. He has a much higher offensive ceiling imo.

    Mobley is more explosive and has better lateral quickness defending the perimeter. But Chet’s fluidity and handle is guard like. I’d be comfortable with him having the ball in his hands in almost any situation.

    Tbh Chet is who Christian Wood thinks he is.
     
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  8. D-rock

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    Stick a fork in this debate.

    DEFENSE MATTERS.

     
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  9. roslolian

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    Pretty sure the debate was over when Banchero started clanking it up vs inferior college competition. Dont want an inefficient offense guy with questions on his motor and defensive effort as a top 3 pick.
     
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  10. roslolian

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    As prospects Chet blows Mobley out of the water. They are both dominant defensively but Chet shows a more advanced perimeter game, Mobley took a couple attempts from 3 at 30% rate or something. Personality wise, Chet has that Michael Jordan/Larry Bird Mamba mentality, he doesnt scream and beat his chest every play but he has a mean and competitive streak and is tough as nails so that essily puts him over Mobley.

    In terms of body type though Chet seems riskier than Mobley. He's like 75% thinner than Mobley and thats concerning cuz Mobley already looked thin AF. He also has a bit of a hunch, like he doesnt stand up straight. I dunno if we're gonna see structural damage ala Brandon Roy or Zion Williamson later on cuz of that. For me the biggest flag thiugh is his weight, in high school he was 190 pnds in college he is 195 pounds. Only 5 pound gain in 1 yr? His people know his weight is the no 1 concern for him why didnt he gain at least 15 pounds to prove doubters wrong? He might be like Zhou Qi and not handle additional poundage.

    Chet is peaking so he'll prob end up no 1 but I'd still take Jabari over him just cuz Jabari has no downside or redflags.
     
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  11. D-rock

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    So you are guaranteeing that Chet is the undisputed ROY of his class?

    That is the bar that Mobley has set.

     
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  12. D-rock

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    This is Mobley as 3rd option on offense.

    20/10 as a rook.

    When JA is playing he becomes 4th option.

     
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  13. Denovo

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    Im not downplaying Mobley. I just project Chet to be the better player offensively.
     
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    Holmgren is playing like sh(e)t
     
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    Tonight was good example of true difference in Chet and Mobley's defense.

    Mobley can play elite defense without fouling out.

    That said, the refs were blowing whistles all night for soft, even ghost fouls.
     
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    Majority of the reason Mobley became the clear cut ROY is due to Cav's success. In a vacuum his performance is on par with Cade and probably inferior to Wagner.

    Rookie A: 16.9 pts 5.9 rebs 5.4 ast 49.7 TS%
    Rookie B: 15.3 pts 8.3 rebs 2.5 ast 55% TS
    Rookie C: 15.4 pts 4.6 rebs 2.9 ast 56% TS
    Rookie D: 15.8 pts 3.2 rebs 2.7 ast 53% TS
    Rookie E: 15.5 pts 7.7 rebs 3.4 ast 55% TS

    What bar are you talking about? These rookies all putting around the same nos if the Cavs were a sad sack team ROY would be anyone's guess.
     
  18. D-rock

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    It's called defense.

    It's really not that hard man.

     
  19. roslolian

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    Cavs have a balanced attack even if he is technically the "3rd" option he gets almost as much as the the 2nd option:
    Garland 16.9 FGA
    Sexton 13.7 FGA
    Levert 13.4 FGA
    Mobley 12.3 FGA

    On top of his FGA Mobley also gets the 2nd most FTAs at 3.8 so realistically he is the 2B option on offense as his total attempts exceed Levert and make him on par with Sexton.

    Jarett Allen only gets 9 FGA so no whether or not Allen is playing Mobley gets the lion share of attempts.
     
  20. roslolian

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    Wagner and Barnes also play defense 1-5. It's not that hard man.

    Cade isn't the defender Mobley is but he creates his team's entire offense with his playmaking. OTH 65% of Mobley's 2 pts are assisted and 95% of his 3s are assisted. He's being fed and benefitting from excellent guard play on the Cavs if he is on a trash team he could barely score on his own.
     

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