Dude beats women in swimming update: dude beats girl in Olympics boxing in 46 seconds

LOL that picture.

athletic conpetitions have nothing to do with the trans argument, it’s about adhering to standards that ensure competition. It’s ****ing sports and the equivalent of a college player identifying as a middle schooler and playing in their games

to the people screaming transphobia one of my female friends laid out a very well thought out argument about how this isn’t just about being pro trans for the advocates, it’s anti women for females. It’s gotten to the point that women refusing sexual advances and harassment are viewed as phobes.

 

Did that Salem inquisitor just equate continuing to raise children after a divorce with "concubinage"

 

I think people saying this person is just a man trying to game the competition are really cynical. I don't think anyone would transition to win a trophy. She is transgender - whether one thinks she should be allowed to compete or not, I do think a lot of people calling her a "dude" are definitely being transphobic.

But I also think saying she shouldn't be able to race against women because it's not fair - I don't think that's transphobia. I think that comes down to how one views sports. Is it about winning, or is it about something else?

I struggle with that a lot, and at the end of the day, I think she should be able to compete as a woman. Sports is about competition and elevating people to a higher level. It's suppose to bring people together through competition. At least at the NCAA level. But I definitely think people shouldn't be called transphobic for disagreeing.

 

I don't think there's ever been a trans post gender reassignment that said "Oh fawk I wish I had my penis and testicles back, what a mistake.!" Or vagina, ovaries and uterus.

 

It's not all about winning, but it's 100% about the spirit of competition, which what Lia is doing is the opposite. Sports bring people together because it offers a chance for everyone to compete at an even playing field.

That's why an abled man cannot walk into a para olympics competition and compete, that's why an 25 year cannot walk into a U17 and compete, that's why a 250 pound man cannot wrestle against a 160 pound man. But somehow to bring everything together we are going to allow bio man to compete against bio woman.

Again, can you explain why she cannot compete in men's competition? Men's competition is an all sex competition, it does not discriminate any gender. No one has offered a clear explanation why she is not doing that. Many great women athletes in history have tried to competing in men's leagues, because that's where the best are, why does Lia not aim to compete with her peers who she has no physical advantage over, but choose to compete in a competition that she clearly has a physical advantage over.

 

I respect your opinion, but it still an opinion. NCAA's mission does include inclusiveness as part of fairness.

One can argue that short women should have their own division compared to tall women since taller women have a clear advantage in swimming just like heavier boxers do. As a matter of fact, swimmer's can't control their height but boxers are far more able to control their weight.

That's the problem with these arguments - you can make an intellectual case in either direction.

At the end of the day, why should Lia compete in the men's division if she is a woman? I think that would be humiliating if you are a woman, identify as a woman, and have to compete against men - and that would go against the NCAA's stated mission and charter.

I can understand your position though, but do you understand the other side though?

 

Is this sarcasm?

 

"Wow"? She is just stating the obvious truth.

 

I think there are legitimate question to this and as someone who coaches a combative sport and also has had a trans player I would be concerned about safety issues regarding a significant strength and size disparity.

While I have concerns regarding safety and competition trans people should be fully accepted in society. Having known people who have transitioned the pain they have gone through is real and can be devastating. Many have been rejected by friends and family and it’s not surprising that many contemplate or attempted suicide.

Sports are an issue but they shouldn’t be used to say that trans people in general are damaged and diseased and should be rejected by society. It certainly should’ve be used like the Abbott and Paxton are doing to go after the families of trans people who are trying to do they beat they can to relieve the suffering of their children.

 

Fully being accepted in society: yes
Using an unfair advantage in sports: no

 

You only have to look at the title of this thread and some of the comments to know that this is really what this issue is about.

Sports have never inherently been fair. People claimed Danica Patrick had an unfair advantage being a woman in indy racing, that Pistorius had an unfair advantage due to his blades, people born with mutations that gave them extra red blood cells leading them to dominate their sport. So many examples.

But regardless of were people stand on what is fair and what is not, the problem I have with all this is with the hate that is being directed towards someone and a community at large. It's just ugliness that's unnecessary.

 

So do you think she should be allowed to compete against women for championships?

If its just for the spirit of competition, she can compete against men because there are rules against that.

I don't think how society treats trans people has anything to do with the topic at hand.

 

At this point I don’t have a solid opinion as I can truly see both sides of this issue.

As I said in Judo because of weight classes this might be less of an issue but for swimming and track and field yes I think there is an a good argument that it skews competition and gives an unfair advantage.

As I brought up in the other thread I don’t think this will be a very frequent problem. I think for the vast majority of competitions it will be non trans women competing in womens sports

 

My response was to the poster that thinks transgenderism is some sort of psychosis that can be snapped out of which is not the case at all and I had to illustrate by bringing up the decisive decision they make in gender assignment.