It's Time! Consolidation of Assets: Roster Spots Needed!

Now your speaking Tilmans language

 

I agree Tate is the big question mark for this team. However, I think Rockets fans are too bullish about how "easy" it might be to jump to Portland's pick at the 7-11 range. This draft at first was thought to be maybe 3-4 players deep and weak otherwise. Now, though, I think it's clear that there is a pretty solid top 10-15 guys who have pretty decent potential.

The difference between pick 16/17 and pick 10 could be, for example, the difference between Jalen Duren and Kendall Brown, two players I consider on markedly different tiers with Duren well ahead. Does Portland consider Wood + Tate + Brown for Duren + Bledsoe is worth it? I think Portland says no way to that.

One thing working in the Rockets favor is that, as Westbrook says, Jae'Sean Tate has "tricked y'all man." He is widely considered to be a good player around the league. The Rockets should take advantage of that and get as much as possible for him, because he is simply not an NBA quality player. He's 6'4" and he can't jump, shoot, or handle the ball. KJ Martin, as a contrast, is 6'5", one of the best leapers in the NBA, and his shot is developing rapidly. The intrigue with Tate last year was that he seemed like he could be a secondary playmaker with the ability to add a three point shot in the future. In reality, Tate is a ball hog with below average vision and the shot is not developing. Move him.

 

Quit bumming out the forums guy

 

Tanking fans say this every year. “Next years draft is strong, it’s worth it,” he said in perpetuity.

 

I’m in on trading Tate, but you are being way too harsh. He is a solid off the bench role player in the NBA.

 

Let’s pretend the lottery plays out exactly like the final records, so:

Houston
Orlando
Detroit
Okl
Indi
Sac
Portland
Spurs
Knicks
N.O.

Which one of these teams would want any combination of Tate, Wood, Gordan and Brooklyn pick to move up.

I believe it’s not enough for anyone other Portland, Knicks and NO. Maybe Indi if you sweeten the deal.

Indi might be interested in a trade but it would take our 2023 unprotected at a min, Brooklyn pick, Tate and maybe more to move up that far. Wood and Gordon get you nothing from any team without aspirations for competing next year. For fun let’s say Indi take Tate, Brooklyn pick, 2023 Frp for number 5. I do it. Then it’s probably Jabari and Keegan for a line-up of KPJ, Green, Jabari, Keegan, Sengun, with a really good bench. Playoff bound. Still a long shot.

Portland I guess since they are hanging on to Damian. So the above package plus Wood or Gordon and us taking back salary fillers. Is that worth it for seven. Not with the 2023 frp, but maybe for Brooklyn pick and another future pick, Tate, Wood, even KJM, but only if Keegan or Duren is available.

Knicks and NO picks really not worth it for us, unless it’s just Tate, Wood, Gordon and Brooklyn pick, or any combination.

 

I keep hearing this being said as if it is the truth, but what does Tate provide to a team, contender or otherwise? On offense, he is not a floor spacer, he has tunnel vision, he is a poor ball handler, and he is not an excellent screen setter. He occasionally makes effective cuts and he can finish decently around the rim with either hand. As a 4, this could have worked 20 years ago, but today? No way.

On defense he tries very hard, but he gets dominated when asked to defend down low, is a poor defensive rebounder, and has no leaping ability to allow him to be a weakside rim protector. He's a huge negative on defense but somehow gets credited for being a positive defender because of his effort level and first-impression reputation from last year.

 

Tate's minutes have dropped significantly this month, despite Eric Gordon's absence, down to barely over 20 minutes a game. His minutes have more or less been distributed to Sengun/Martin.

The Rockets need to have a fire sale this off-season, a lot of these players that don't really fit in the Rocket's rebuilding timeline are starting to lose minutes to younger players that are not really first priorities during trades. Whilst it's a good thing that the younger players are developing, the Rockets are wasting away tradeable assets.

 

Sorry but have a different point of view!

Our best players which we should keep:- Wood, Green, Porter,
Martin, Sengun, Tate,
Christopher, Matthews
Draft A, Draft B,
We try to move Wall, Gordon, Garuba, Nix, Queen,

 

There are teams that have superstars, teams that tank, and the Kings.

 

2 actually. wembanyama and Scoot Henderson

I don't know if its ever worth tanking. I believe in winning as many games as Jalen and sengun can win for us. I think letting wood and gordon lead us to wins is meaningless. next year I want to win as many games as Jalen, sengun, and our top 5 pick can win for us. move everyone else out of the way. if they lead us to wemby or scoot so be it. if they lead us to the play in so be it.

 

In no particular order and I realize people might be on expiring ect but this is a quick idea.

Keep:
Martin
Tate
Sengun
Green
Christopher

Tradable:
Mathews
Fernando
Porter
Nwaba
Garuba
Nix
Schroder
Queen

Must Go:
Silas
Wood
Gordon
Wall

 

agree with this and agree with the OP sentiment that we need to consolidate.

to smoothie’s point, Green, Sengun, and our top pick in the 2022 draft are the key players to build around. But we also have a few other players whom have shown almost as much promise that we should also double down on.

if we assume that Gordon and Wood get moved this offseason (hopefully KPJ too), and Wall stays in street cloths, that opens some badly needed playing time for some deserving players.

if there’s another player worth considering as part of our core, beyond Green, Sengun and our 2022 picks it’s Josh Christopher.

He’s averaging 15.5pts/5reb/4 assists/1.5steals per 36 min.

That’s more rebounds, assists and steals than Jalen Green, and right there with Barnes and Mobley as far as points. Yes he needs to improve his shooting efficiency from long range, but everything else is there, including good size for his position. He’s a combo guard (not a point guard) so his pathway to a starting position is unclear, but he’s capable of playing starters minutes as a 6th man, and he’s a better prospect than KPJ.

I see Christopher as part of our core given his rookie production and upside.

The only other player worth considering is KJ Martin. KJ has improved this year. He’s shooting around 36% from 3 and averaging 15.5 pts per 36. He just turned 21 and has untapped upside. Given his rebounding and shot-blocking ability, he’s got a real chance to be a starter at the 3 if he takes another step next year.

so While Christopher and KJ may not be considered untouchable (neither would likely be a deal breaker in any potential trade), holding onto them and giving them more minutes next year is likely to pay significant dividends.

I see Green, Sengun, Christopher, and KJ Martin (as well as our 2022 draft pick) as the the players we want to commit to developing.

 

Every year there is a top prospect. And every other year that prospect turns out to be meh.

 

you’re right it IS tough .

I’d hesitate on that trade because it doesn’t seem like we are getting a whole lot of value. What is our plan with Bledsoe ? Is he like Dennis for us this year ? Is he sitting ? What’s our goal ... are we trying to win more games ..

I’m higher on Tate than most . I think his potential is still growing and I’m not putting it past him being better than “5th starter” . I think defense is harder to quantify than offense and just like fit matters for offense ... it does for D too .

but using Tate and wood to move up 7/8 spots isn’t how I’d prefer to use their value .

I guess depends on who is available . We could be moving matthews just as easily as Tate .. he’s got more value because he’s locked up cheaper for longer .

I think Portland isn’t bluffing when it comes to keeping dame . I think it’s the right move too. Lillard might be 31 , but the tread is pretty low for his age . They are going to be able to add pieces with their capital and they have flexibility .

I think if we trade Tate it makes us worse than we would have been with him . He’s got some sticky glue . Classic trade and sign for more later (or trade for)rockets move .

Tate May not be that young .. but as a second year player he’s still capable of much more .

I don’t know why we weren’t able to move wood and Gordon at the deadline . 1
Future protected 1st for each would have been good enough .

KJ to me doesn’t have that high of a ceiling , but I’m glad he’s been hot from 3 . If we can sell high on him I’d do that too .

 

Get rid of Wood, Tate, KPJ. They all think they're all-stars. I like Tate on defense but his offense - teams let him live in the corner now and it's 4-on-5. He probably has a lot of value on a superstar team - send him to one!

Martin plays within his role, keep him.