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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. basso

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    Just because you can find people who think like you doesn't mean they are correct.
     
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    i suppose it’s asking to much for you to read the very articles you post. It talks about the “massive infusion of money in the past few years” under trump then Biden. You sir, are a moron. And you continue to prove it every day.
     
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    This tweet is wrong.
     
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    It's a ****ing war the solution would be to end it.
     
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    its too bad many republicans congressmen don’t support Ukraine.
     
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    Dude, I mean that we should stop blaming and be ****ing Americans. Move the **** forward, no blame, yes, let’s end this ****.
     
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    This is encouraging. Federation for the Dombas region. Sort of like Quebec in Canada.

    Very massive non military aid to rebuild Ukraine. It is a waste to just spend money on weapons and only rebuild Ukraine after it is turned into Syria, Afghanistan or I guess post war Germany or Japan. Ukraine was the poorest country in Europe and even poorer than Russia.

    Let's see how much the West really cares about the Ukrainian people.
     
  14. Amiga

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    Putin needs a revised theory of victory that excludes the capture of Kyiv
    Mick Ryan
    Major General Mick Ryan served in the Australian Defence Force for more than 35 years and was commander of the Australia Defence College. He is the author of War Transformed: The Future of 21st Century Great Power Competition and Conflict.

    March 18, 2022 — 3.30pm

    Three weeks into the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russia is yet to achieve its key military objectives in the north, east or south. As has been reported by the Pentagon, Russia has now also committed all the military forces it had assembled for the Ukraine campaign and is seeking reinforcements from wider Russia and beyond. But despite the losses it has suffered, the Russians retain the majority of the combat power with which they started their invasion.

    And President Vladimir Putin made clear in his speech on Wednesday, he still wants to claim victory. Even if it doesn’t look like one to the rest of us. As Max Boot wrote in The Washington Post this week, “if Putin wants to avoid a lengthy quagmire, sooner or later he will need to moderate his maximalist objectives and end this evil war. The only sensible way out is to accept defeat while calling it a victory.”

    Putin therefore needs a revised “theory of victory”. American scholar Eliot Cohen describes this as “a story line explaining why we think things will turn out the way we wish”. The Russian President needs a story line that preserves his presidency, relaxes some of the sanctions strangling his country, and gives the appearance that the massive military failure in Ukraine bore some success for Russia.

    Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine and the heart of the resistance to the Russian invasion, might seem to be the answer to Putin’s wishes. It is currently the main effort for the Russian military campaign as it slowly approaches, attempts to encircle and then capture the city.

    This is an unlikely outcome, however. The Russian forces in Ukraine are under severe strain. According to official US sources and news agencies, the Russians have lost about 10 per cent of their manpower killed or wounded in the past three weeks. At the same time, their logistics have been found wanting, their soldiers are going hungry, they are being targeted because of the use of insecure communications and are probably running out of precision weapons.

    Facing the Russians in Kyiv are at least 10,000 (and probably many more) defenders. They have had weeks to prepare a very complex set of obstacles. Any Russian encirclement, let alone seizure, of Kyiv will require tens of thousands of Russian soldiers. This would be a very difficult proposition even for a fresh force that is well led. The Russians are neither. Capturing Kyiv is now probably beyond the Russian forces.

    Putin may need to look elsewhere to satisfy his theory of victory. The south and south-east of the country are probably where he will look to for his “victory”.

    Russian forces have seized almost all of Ukraine’s coastline. This includes a large proportion of Ukraine’s ability to trade with the outside world. The only city remaining in the path of the Russian military in the south is Odessa. But the Russians probably don’t need to seize that city to declare a successful campaign in the south. It has already delivered a corridor from Crimea to Russia, and a larger defensive buffer for Russia north of the Crimean Peninsula.

    In the south-east, the Russians have made steady progress. Russians, and their proxies, continue to pressure Ukrainian forces in Luhansk and Donetsk, while advancing from the north and the south in a pincer movement to encircle all Ukrainian forces east of the city of Dnipro.

    If the Russians were able to achieve this – and it is no foregone conclusion that they can – they might then destroy Ukraine’s military forces defending the south-eastern part of the country. And it might give the Russians a large swathe of territory that can be a bargaining chip in negotiations over an armistice or peace treaty. Of course, they might also want to keep it, but it is almost certain they would then face a Ukrainian insurgency.

    This is all speculative. The Russians, thus far, have not consistently shown the high-level planning skills to successfully undertake this kind of sweeping manoeuvre over such distances (Kharkiv to Dnipro is 185 kilometres as the crow flies). Their logistics system alone would groan under the weight of such an ambitious plan. Air support would also be more difficult the further west that Russian forces advanced.

    Despite all of these challenges, they are less daunting than the immense military and political challenges posed by a Russian attack on Kyiv. As I wrote last week, the eastern theatre of the war is a danger zone for the Ukrainian high command. Ukraine may need to trade ground for time, withdraw its troops and preserve units for other more important battles ahead.

    That remains true. And it may become more so if Putin decides he can build a theory of victory around successes in the south and south-east, rather than risk a failed attack on Kyiv. Despite his defiant speech this week, the Russian President is under pressure to end the war. He may decide the best way to do so, while retaining a veneer of success with his people and the senior military and business figures who keep him in power, is to look beyond Kyiv to another theatre of the war.
     
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    beside it being off by 10m or so?
     
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    The tweet is certainly correct with respect to Dubya who should be in the Hague along with Putin. Certainly lumping Obama and even Clinton who was pretty cavalier with the murderous sanctions after Iraq War I is a stretch.
     
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    Out of curiousity, what countries did Clinton and Obama invade?
     
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    Are you kidding? Bush was called a war criminal all the time.
     
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    This account is either 5 Brietbart interns posting as one attractive woman or the technology behind bot troll farms is advancing faster than our comprehension.
     

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