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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    China is the one that can prevent World War III. If China puts pressure on Russia, then it's over unless Putin is just crazy at this point. If he's crazy then there is very little we can do other than give up Ukraine and kick the can down the road and hope Putin dies soon.
     
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    There is nothing Putin and the Russians are doing that is inconsistent with Russian/USSR policy gong back to at least WWII. It will not matter if Putin dies. This is not about Putin. This is about what Russia perceives to be their critical strategic interests in the region. They have been clear on their readiness to go to war over this since long before Putin was in office, and they will almost certainly continue to maintain that perspective long after he is gone.
     
  4. adoo

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    the Putin wing of the Repugnant Party has shown their hand
     
  5. Amiga

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    China can definitely help make peace and be on good terms with the rest of the world. A lot of positives for them and hopefully they are smart and see that. But, it's still up to Putin to end the madness and no one else.
     
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  6. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    I would say:
    75% chance Russian gov tech incompetance
    24% chance due to external hacking
    1% chance due to brave malcontents in Russian gov
     
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    A few blocks away.

    I'm in NYC at the moment; moving to Florida in a few weeks.
     
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    These 8 people are bad people who should be monitored and ostracized. Gaetz was also weirdly involved in the Jan. 6 stuff and other shenanigans, right?

    Kinzinger and Cheney are good. These people are very bad.
     
  9. deb4rockets

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    If the GOP Party doesn't censor rid them, they basically condone the behavior. You can't turn a blind eye and pretend you are different. They need to remove the right wing radicals, and call them out for who they are to those who voted them in.
     
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    Deckard Blade Runner
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    It is utterly shameful that 8 Republicans voted against this bill. The vote should have been unanimous, although I wouldn't have been the least bit surprised if Greene and Boebert had voted against it. The 6 others will join the pair as pathetic examples of just how low the Republican Party has fallen.
     
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    I would say that based on what I see here and the context of what they are trying to achieve with it from a Russian propaganda perspective, I would say there was a delay and they cut out before he said something truly off the wall that teetering Russians would think “maybe that’s a little too much for me.”

    The whole point of this charade is to convince Russians that what they are doing is popular and you should get on board. Putin is truly losing it if he can’t even keep on message without launching into an unhinged diatribe that comes off a Jim Jones in the tent asking the congregation to drink the cool aid.
     
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  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    A pro war rally? How many people were paid to go wave a flag etc?

    DD
     
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    They’re the same people in every country. I bet most aren’t paid and just hate the other and enjoy subjugating them.
     
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  14. Nook

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    The USA is giving Ukrainian leadership intelligence. It was openly discussed in the days after the invasion.
     
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  16. Nook

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    Both are fascists and populists..... the difference in actual impact is MASSIVE though.

    Honestly, Trump is more like Mussolini anyway.... Trump says what he thinks sells.... Hitler didn't give a **** about what he thought would sell, it was his way of death.
     
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  17. Blatz

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    lol looks like a trump rally
    Probably believe the Ukrainians are drug addicts, criminals, and rapists who are stealing their jobs and bringing disease with them.
     
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  18. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    They weren't going to go to war with Gorbachev and Yeltzin. That is why the USSR broke up. However, I expected that response from a Russian Bot. At least it wasn't some stupid cartoon.
     
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    You realize they were censured by the Republican party. If these two are good, the majority of the party is rotten. I don't think most Republicans realize what their party has become.
     
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