1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Paolo Banchero vs Chet Holmgren

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by MystikArkitect, Nov 9, 2021.

?

Chet "The Jet" Holmgren or Paolo "The Lambo" Banchero?

  1. Holmgren

  2. Banchero

Results are only viewable after voting.
  1. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    114,079
    Likes Received:
    176,325
    https://www.si.com/nba/2022/03/16/n...cts-chet-holmgren-paolo-banchero-jabari-smith

    Holmgren has received quite a bit of hype nationally, and his impact on the Bulldogs’ success is undeniable, but opinions I’ve heard around the NBA vary more widely than one might assume from what you hear and read elsewhere. Holmgren has played well this season and is still trending toward a top-three selection: listed at 7'0”, 190 with a 7'6” wingspan, he’s a high-quality defensive prospect who projects best not at center, but as more of a roving, shot-blocking four-man, and preferably alongside a stronger, more physical big. That role will enable him to use his length around the rim and as a rebounder while limiting how much his lack of strength can be exposed. While opponents have had success attacking him in the post, his impact on the defensive end has been consistent and enhances the perception that Holmgren has a comfortable value floor in the pros. If you assume his defense translates meaningfully, then Holmgren can be pretty valuable even if he never expands his offensive repertoire much.

    Right now, he is a threat to finish lobs and has had success pushing the ball in transition, though he may not win open-court foot races in the NBA. He projects as a reliable jump shooter, but can be streaky: Holmgren is making 41% of attempts from distance, but has shot just 27% from deep in 12 games against Tier A opponents (as classified by KenPom). He’s highly efficient (70.4 TS%), but NBA execs have been watching closely to see how Holmgren deals with opponents that counter him with appreciable size and strength. He played poorly in Gonzaga’s two recent games against Saint Mary’s, which made a concerted effort to hit him early and more or less neutralized him on offense. Potential matchups against Memphis, UConn, Texas Tech or Duke, physical teams that can make him uncomfortable, would be analyzed closely. The NBA places much more stock in those settings: Holmgren can enhance his case as a top prospect with strong showings in those types of games, or raise more questions if he struggles.



    As for Banchero, opinions I’ve heard have been vacillating over the past six weeks after some middling performances: he is no longer as much of a real candidate at No. 1, but remains a good bet to go in the top five. I spent three days last week at the ACC tournament evaluating Banchero and a Duke team with five projected first-rounders. He’s supremely skilled for his size and at his best when he keeps the game simple, making quick decisions and allowing his passing vision and delivery to shine while attacking mismatches. While Banchero isn’t a rim protector, I thought his effort defensively and on the glass improved over the course of the week. He remains a great fit for positionless offense who will complement better players on a good team, as long as he shoots.

    Unfortunately, Banchero appears to be going through a present crisis of faith in his jump shot, which NBA scouts agree was in a much better place back in November. In a vacuum, it’s a good idea for him to pare down his shot selection, but he’s developed an inconsistent, minor hitch at the top of his release, and seems to be lacking for confidence at the foul line and from three-point range. This is something he can absolutely iron out over time, but in the short-term, it makes him a lot easier for opponents to defend. It’s also a part of his eval that potential suitors have to think hard about: if Banchero doesn’t comfortably project as a good jump shooter in the long haul, it will be much harder to leverage mismatches with his his average explosiveness, keep defenses honest, and generate easy buckets. Ultimately, his versatility gives him too many pathways to success to be overly worried, but better shooting performances in the tourney would help assuage these concerns.
     
    D-rock, jiggyfly and i3artow i3aller like this.
  2. vator

    vator Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2006
    Messages:
    6,575
    Likes Received:
    13,925
  3. i3artow i3aller

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2008
    Messages:
    20,163
    Likes Received:
    37,882
  4. D-rock

    D-rock Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    40,743
    Likes Received:
    64,232
    Chet is Wood.

    Just in 7 foot body, better handles, better passing and MUCH better defense.
     
    cdastros, 18pbr and cmoak1982 like this.
  5. D-rock

    D-rock Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    40,743
    Likes Received:
    64,232
    Chet is clearly the #1 in this draft.

    His production and efficiency is ridiculous.

     
    cmoak1982 likes this.
  6. i3artow i3aller

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2008
    Messages:
    20,163
    Likes Received:
    37,882
  7. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    114,079
    Likes Received:
    176,325
  8. RedIsen

    RedIsen Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2008
    Messages:
    926
    Likes Received:
    803
    Murray or Griffin at #5 will be interesting.

    I was skeptical about Murray earlier in the season. Felt like he resorted to too much post up/bully ball, and wasn't particularly creative with driving or vision. Still don't think he's great at creating off the bounce or for others, but he's shown he's a legit perimeter threat that can get his shot off in different ways, and there's always value in a combo forward that can score at 3 levels. On top of that, his rim protection is decent to go with passable perimeter/PnR defense. It's funny that a 20+ ppg scorer is one of the more "boring" picks of the lottery.

    On the other hand, you have to wonder what AJ Griffin would be like after 3 years.. When he's 21 like Murray is. The tools are there. His shot has a weird base and hitch which works right now, but i'm worried it's too slow for him to be a sniper in the NBA. Will smoothing out his mechanics open up his game? He looks a little stiff, but you hope he'll look better when he's a full year removed from injury. His handle and drives have been looking sharper as of late. Synergy says ~49% of his offense is spot up attempts! I know Moore, Keels, and Banchero are all playmakers, but you gotta give this kid more opportunities. Could say his role at Duke is hiding his game..
     
    D-rock likes this.
  9. utgrad97

    utgrad97 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2008
    Messages:
    1,481
    Likes Received:
    1,186
    Give me Smith and Kessler. They played together in college and would be a great duo in Rocket's red. If you don't get Smith, take Chet and Kessler. Two 7's but with games that complement each other. Then your big rotation is set for the next 10 years.
     
  10. Sean Dr34ms

    Sean Dr34ms Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2013
    Messages:
    2,302
    Likes Received:
    4,678
    Chet seemingly not having a great game, but has 12/15/4 with 5 blocks and 10 minutes left on the clock.

    I hope Zags make a deep run and we get to see as much of him as possible.
     
    D-rock and cmoak1982 like this.
  11. cmoak1982

    cmoak1982 Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2012
    Messages:
    18,089
    Likes Received:
    22,679
    He just plays his role until it’s time to turn it on imo.
    I would like to see him not defer more.
     
  12. Sean Dr34ms

    Sean Dr34ms Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2013
    Messages:
    2,302
    Likes Received:
    4,678
    It’s just how Gonzaga plays as a team.

    The system isn’t designed for Chet to get 20 looks a game and that style of play has earned them the top spot in the country.

    Timme is “the guy” and it works.
     
    D-rock and cmoak1982 like this.
  13. cmoak1982

    cmoak1982 Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2012
    Messages:
    18,089
    Likes Received:
    22,679
    Right, which is a plus imo. It shows Chet can play in system and upside to be the “system”.
     
    Sean Dr34ms likes this.
  14. peleincubus

    peleincubus Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2002
    Messages:
    26,727
    Likes Received:
    15,018
    Chet and Green (Sengun too) together would create in my opinion an incredibly unselfish team.
     
    Rockets4Life13 and cmoak1982 like this.
  15. cmoak1982

    cmoak1982 Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2012
    Messages:
    18,089
    Likes Received:
    22,679
    That’s what I like man. Real basketball. Plus you have Greens ability to take over, it’s perfect imo
     
    javal_lon likes this.
  16. Sean Dr34ms

    Sean Dr34ms Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2013
    Messages:
    2,302
    Likes Received:
    4,678
    Completely agree. Been one of my arguments is that he’s been so special as “complimentary” player and not been the sole focus of the team vs a Jabari/Banchero.

    His upside is tremendous and such a high iq player. He doesn’t force hardly anything and that’s why he’s so efficient.
     
    D-rock and cmoak1982 like this.
  17. cmoak1982

    cmoak1982 Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2012
    Messages:
    18,089
    Likes Received:
    22,679
    Couldn’t agree more
     
    D-rock and Sean Dr34ms like this.
  18. cdrive

    cdrive Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2006
    Messages:
    7,953
    Likes Received:
    7,980
    Chet looked amazing that last 5 minutes…
     
  19. Genesis

    Genesis Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    814
    Likes Received:
    675
    Only been following of late, for people that know of both Chet and Mobley, if you had to pick one player who would it be?
     
  20. utgrad97

    utgrad97 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2008
    Messages:
    1,481
    Likes Received:
    1,186
    Mobley. Cleaner projection.
     
    Genesis likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now