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  1. Reeko

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    the black dude in the black shirt does not want to be there

    I wonder how much he was paid to sell his soul
     
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  2. Roc Paint

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    If Putin decides to bomb Sarah Williamson there’s going to be a serious problem
     
  3. Andre0087

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    He looking at the other black dude like I can't do this anymore...my soul hurts.
     
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  4. Reeko

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    that’s that “damn, I’m really doing this bullsh*t” face
     
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    They also threw the son of a high-rankimg commander out of the window of the Russian embassy to his death in front of my door in Berlin a few weeks ago.
     
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    You're German?
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    yes
     
  8. Andre0087

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    [​IMG]
     
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  9. Roc Paint

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    Yep
     
  10. deb4rockets

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    Actually I don't. I would think someone from Germany would completely understand how dangerous American right wing propaganda and lies can brainwash good people. Hitler did it with Germans. Trump and his propaganda hate inciters do the same thing. Everyone in the GOP who backed that are no better.
     
  11. Andre0087

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    The guy said Merkel was the worst chancellor in the history of Germany...so I don't know.
     
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  12. Deckard

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    I think Putin is in the midst of a nervous breakdown. He's apt to do anything.
     
  13. Andre0087

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    I don't believe he's having a breakdown, that would be bad for everyone. I do think he's surrounded himself with "yes men" that will agree with whatever he says to a degree. Since he's putting loyalty above skillset I can understand why he's had so many generals killed in the battle over Ukraine.
     
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    This article makes for interesting reading:

    'Scum and traitors': Under pressure over Ukraine, Putin turns his ire on Russians

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    (In the image above, taken recently, Putin looks drawn and haggard, like he's aged several years. Not at all his typical demeanor)

    One expert said the Russian leader was telling his country's elite: “Don’t think about having second thoughts. We’re all in this together, and if I go down, you go down.”

    March 17, 2022, 12:00 PM CDT
    By Alexander Smith

    LONDON — Anyone looking for signs that embattled and isolated Russia might soften its position would not have found much hope in the increasingly belligerent words of President Vladimir Putin.

    With his invasion of Ukraine floundering and his economy teetering, Putin doubled down Wednesday, turning his baleful glare on Russians who are against the invasion or who sympathize with the West.


    "The Russian people will always be able to distinguish true patriots from scum and traitors and will simply spit them out like an insect in their mouth onto the pavement," he said, shoulders hunched and staring down the barrel of the camera.

    It was the latest speech to surprise and alarm many who study Putin. He has adopted what they say is an emotional, ranting tone since Russia invaded Ukraine three weeks ago, a departure from the calculating persona of a former KGB officer.

    "He's clearly angry, emotional and feels the need to speak in this very aggressive tone," said John Lough, an associate fellow at London’s Chatham House think tank.

    Lough said the speech was clearly aimed at Russia's elites, some of whom he believes are privately dismayed about the failure of the war and the economic backlash it has inflicted at home.

    According to Lough, Putin was saying to the elites: "Don't think about having second thoughts. We're all in this together, and if I go down, you go down."

    Putin touched on now-common themes, comparing the West to Nazi Germany and alleging, against all evidence, that Ukraine has been committing genocide against ethnic Russians. But he adopted even more hard-line rhetoric when he turned his attention to Russians themselves, whom he has subjected to a sweeping crackdown on anti-war dissent in recent weeks.

    lmost 15,000 protesters have been arrested in Russia since the war began, according to OVD-Info, a human rights group based in Moscow that tracks police detentions.

    Unknown thousands more have fled the country, driven away by a deepening state repression of protest, independent journalism and social media, as well as a plummeting economy hit by international sanctions and mass boycotts.

    The Kremlin said Thursday that it was those people who were showing themselves to be “traitors.”


    “They vanish from our lives," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said, according to Reuters. "Some people are leaving their posts. Some are leaving their active work life. Some leave the country and move to other countries. That is how this cleansing happens.

    “In such difficult times," he added, "many people show their true colors."

    Putin’s tone contrasted with those of the Russian and the Ukrainian negotiating teams, which signaled tentative progress in peace talks. Some experts saw his speech as a chilling sign.

    “Putin in an Orwellian way has divided the citizens of Russia into clean and unclean,” Andrei Kolesnikov, a Moscow-based political analyst, said on Twitter.

    Constanze Stelzenmüller, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington, compared Putin’s speech to Adolf Hitler’s fictional tirade from the bunker in the 2004 film “Downfall,” whose subtitles have generated countless memes.

    “Strrronngg ‘Der Untergang’ vibes here,” she tweeted, using the film’s German title.

    Putin reserved special ire for Russian oligarchs, many of whom are Kremlin-linked billionaires who made their fortunes in the carve-up of the former Soviet Union and now spend much of it on yachts and other luxuries in the West. Some of them have recently broken cover and distanced themselves from Putin's war.

    Without naming anyone specifically, Putin referred to "national traitors" who "have villas in Miami or the French Riviera, who cannot make do without foie gras, oysters or gender freedom, as they call it" — referring to his apparent disdain for liberal values.

    He criticized their "servile mentality" of being too Western "in their minds, and not here with our people and with Russia."

    Putin also called for “a natural and necessary self-detoxification of society,” which would “strengthen our country, our solidarity and cohesion.”

    Much of the rest of Putin’s speech detailed the drastic economic countermeasures his government is introducing to combat sanctions and boycotts by Western governments and companies.

    “Indeed, it is difficult for us at the moment,” he acknowledged.

    Lough, who was the first NATO official posted to Moscow in the 1990s, said his contacts there are privately conveying “surprise, shock and disbelief that Russia" is engaged in the war.

    There is now an “acceptance that this is going to usher in a period of extreme isolation of Russia, as well as impoverishment and a return, frankly, to many of the features of the Soviet Union,” he said.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/scum-traitors-pressure-ukraine-putin-turns-ire-russians-rcna20410
     
  15. Amiga

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    Russia decided not to go forward with this draft today, claiming they are not withdrawing it. Report is they failed to secure co-sponsorship from China and India. There is also this response from our neighbor.

     
  16. deb4rockets

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    Wow! He is going to take everyone down with him. I'd hate to be a Russian in that country. It sounds like the worst is yet to come.
     
  17. Andre0087

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    It did...I hope someone can take him out the game of life before he does more harm...we shall see.
     
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    I don't like Trump, but to compare him to Hitler shows you do not really understand history.

    At least so far, magnitudes of difference between them.
     
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