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Ukraine

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Amiga

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    Not to mention one very important thing - effective nuclear deterrent and defense depend on NATO. NATO is a nuclear alliance (US, UK, France). Without NATO, US nuclear deterrent and defense would be greatly weakened against Russia and China. With NATO, if deterrent doesn't work and nuclear war breakout, we have a huge advantage with our Intel, hardware, and partners being "neighbor" to Russia. An extremely quick counterattack to neutralize and lessen the impact would simply be much less effective without those local bases to launch from.
     
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    Well I wasn't one of those people. I've always been horrified at senseless vicious murders and atrocities in nations that aren't ruled by Democracy and fair voting. We can't just throw our troops into every war going on in the Middle East, Africa, Communist countries, and those with Dictators, Fascists, and corrupt leaders. Even now, we are holding back from sending troops into a "white" country as many can't seem to stop talking about.

    The only answer to those other countries is to have unlimited refugees admitted into our country to let them escape the hell they live in. Is that what you want?
     
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    Beware, he packs guns and is proud of it.
     
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    That’s not all he is packing and if you catch my drift.
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  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I would turn that question around. What do you think should happen to those fleeing atrocities?
     
  6. deb4rockets

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    I'm asking you. You go on and on about all these countries. I don't have a problem with letting people come to America. I don't fight to build walls. We are all immigrants if we aren't Native Americans.
     
  7. Amiga

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    Doesn't Congress has the power to expel member? She's a joke that isn't worth the effort to expel, but this is crossing the line. Straight out repeating Putin's lies.

     
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    Sadly she represents the perspective of like 15% of Americans.
     
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    I believe that anyone trying to escape violence should be welcomed and assisted.
     
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    Wow! She really is a White Supremacist sounding Anti-Democracy, Fake Christian, Putin propaganda spreading Bigot.
     
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    What about those trying to escape poverty, and discrimination based on religion, race, sex, or sexual orientation?
     
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    All of those things happen here in the US and in European countries and requires a more complex policy / approach. I would not classify them as refugees either.
     
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    Yes, many European countries have better equal treatment than us. We have a long way to go. Some countries have far stricter policies, laws and discrimination than us. If someone can't live without fear or worse discrimination than here in their country do you think they should be allowed to immigrate here?
     
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    I can only comment on escaping violence as I haven't really considered just discrimination. Violence can be from discrimination but not all discrimination is violence.

    Both Syrians and Ukrainians are trying to escape violence. And I think it's a travesty that many countries didn't want Syrians to come to their countries.
     
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    Well we know who they are sending to make a footpath across a possible mined field.
     
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    Big props to Arnold. He blended a story with a message, was upfront with his Nazi past, and flipped it onto them in the matter of confronting the truth. Incredibly heartfelt and inspiring.

    And he didn't even sing!
     
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    Not to be outdone, Russian citizen and famous US actor Steven Segal will be issuing his own video to Americans and the West...after Steven gets done with his defensive demonstration of disarming a room full of handgun-yielding targets using nothing but his bare hands.
     
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    maybe why.

     

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