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  1. ROXRAN

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    People do weird things with $59, they may get their lawn cut or go to the movies Or gamble it for no good reason ,…In ELENAS case everything is speculative with zero evidence beyond that. Perhaps she saw Tulsi as a person that exudes leadership and maybe someone that could be involved in foreign diplomacy and perhaps wanted to say in the future that she contributed to her campaign although that $59 is indeed very marginal and of course Tulsi did the right thing by donating the entire sum to US veteran cause once everything regarding the background came to light about Branson. The conclusion is Tulsi did everything correct and anything beyond that is simplistic minded drivel @subtomic
     
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  3. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    What this woman did was illegal in Russia and she jeopardized the country's global objectives. As punishment I hereby order that she be extradited to Houston without delay to serve as my bikini-clad housekeeper and occasional masseuse.
     
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  4. MojoMan

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    The two blunders that caused the Ukraine war

    The Russian invasion of Ukraine resulted from two immense strategic blunders, Robert Service says. The first came on Nov. 10, when the U.S. and Ukraine signed a Charter on Strategic Partnership, which asserted America’s support for Kyiv’s right to pursue membership in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. The pact made it likelier than ever that Ukraine would eventually join NATO—an intolerable prospect for Vladimir Putin. “It was the last straw,” Mr. Service says. Preparations immediately began for Russia’s so-called special military operation in Ukraine.

    Mr. Service, 74, is a veteran historian of Russia, a professor emeritus at St. Antony’s College, Oxford and a fellow at Stanford’s Hoover Institution. He has written biographies of Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky. The last work, published in 2009, attracted the ire of die-hard Trotskyites world-wide for saying that their hero shared many basic ideas with Lenin and Stalin on the “one-party, one ideology terror state.” Mr. Service says they still “mess around” his Wikipedia entry.

    The November agreement added heft to looser assurances Ukraine received at a NATO summit five months earlier that membership would be open to the country if it met the alliance’s criteria. Mr. Service characterizes these moves as “shambolic mismanagement” by the West, which offered Ukraine encouragement on the NATO question but gave no apparent thought to how such a tectonic move away from Moscow would go down with Mr. Putin. “Nothing was done to prepare the Ukrainians for the kind of negative response that they would get.”
     
  5. ROXRAN

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    please elaborate on this …here’s what we know:
    So do bio labs exist inside Ukraine, and is the US supporting them?

    Yes, and yes. Ukraine does operate biological laboratories which receive US funding. The US undersecretary of state Victoria Nuland affirmed those facts in a Senate foreign relations committee hearing this week in which the Republican senator Marco Rubio asked her directly whether Ukraine had biological weapons.

    Nuland did not answer the question head on. “Ukraine has biological research facilities,” she replied, adding that there was concern that Russian forces were trying to gain control of the labs. “We are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces.”

    from the guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...weapon-claim-us-un-ukraine-bio-labs-explainer)

    This indeed sounds alarming and again Tulsi is taking on the issues and I can’t imagine a better democrat in this country than her for at least talking about the issues and not remaining silent or oddly laughing like Kamala as some garbajo left wingers might prefer … @subtomic @Andre0087
     
  6. dobro1229

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    It's comments like this that tells everyone that you are just not a serious person.

    Fact: Tulsi's largest contributor and someone who contributes to her legal defense fund, while not an official member of the Kremlin, actually is someone who has organizations in Russia, and has for years been an outspoken defender of Putin.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/zachev...in-2021-is-a-putin-apologist/?sh=9d727764cd60

    If you love Tulsi so much yourself then prove it. In 2024, instead of voting for Trump, write her in and tell all your friends to do the same.
     
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  7. dobro1229

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    Stop.. just stop.

    Putin HIMSELF gave an explanation for why he's invading Ukraine. It had NOTHING to do with BioLabs. Biolab talk was creating FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of giving boneheads like yourself a reason over time to justify BOMBING MATERNITY WARDS AND KILLING WOMEN AND THEIR UNBORN CHILDREN.

    So with all due respect... Shut the Fu$k up about GDamn biolabs.

    If you are able to read it, here it is translated for you. THIS IS HIS WORDS describing why he's invading:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...televised-address-to-russia-on-ukraine-feb-24
     
  8. subtomic

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    Simpletons like yourself look at an individual event in a vacuum, which is exactly what you're doing here. Smart people look at everything.

    Tulsi's long history of pro-Putin statements, the praise she showered upon Putin and Assad despite the ruin they inflicted upon Syria and the fact that Tulsi receives significant donations from a Putin apologist all point to the same conclusion - she is a Russian asset and/or patsy. Probably the latter. It doesn't really matter - the end result is that she spreads lots of propaganda that damages discourse in this country because fools like yourself love to look a pretty lady hating on Democrats.

    Furthermore, my critique of you had nothing to do specifically with Tulsi's donors, but rather your continued fetishization of a particularly dumb politician who likely ran as a Democrat only because the GOP is unelectable in Hawaii and whose end game is probably to become yet another "Democratic" pundit on Fox News or OAN who was never a Democrat (in thought or spirit) in the first place.

    We all get it - your hatred for anyone who doesn't adhere to your shoot-anything-that-moves, white Christian supremacy is so complete that you'd vote for a Russian spy before you'd vote for an actual Democrat who has honorably served this country in multiple ways. That's what makes you a simpleton.
     
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  9. ROXRAN

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    I’m super serious to know the best Democratic leader without a doubt, as far as Sharon Tennison, I carefully perused the evidence and don’t see adequate evidence of specific defending of Putin but I do see more of how certain approaches should be conducted on foreign matters…it’s just an opinion and nothing more substantial. As far as voting for Tulsi, we all should…country would be a million times better off than the cesspool it’s under currently by sleepy Biden
     
  10. Mr.Scarface

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    Your support for Putin is expected. You love his his ball licker Trump.
     
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    The problem with what she said isn't that there are biolabs that the US has funded, it's that she is echoing Russian news in calling for them to be shut down or to work with Russia. Also calling for the 300+ labs the US funds around the world to be shut down and tying it to COVID which is a bit ridiculous.

    Her push serves the interests of both China and Russia, who also are funding biolab research and doing it not for public health but to actually make bioweapons. She doesn't really know what she is talking about here. Yes the biolabs are a concern if they fall into Russian hands, but it's ridiculous for her to handle it the way she is, in a way that is embracing Russia's talking points and helps them with their narrative.
     
  12. Pole

    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    unfortunately, a google search of “Marina Ovsyannikova bikini” was disappointing.
     
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  13. dobro1229

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    Please tell me exactly what would be better governed if Tulsi Gabbard was president? What specific policies?

    Other than being an apologist for someone who bombs maternity wards at hospitals, and spreads conspiracy theories to justify those murders of course.

    -Universal healthcare - further to the left of Biden
    -Criminal justice reform - further to the left of Biden
    -legalization of weed- wash or further to the left of Biden
    -tuition free community college - wash
    -Green New Deal - has endorsed but wants to go further than even AOC on nuclear
    -UBI- further to the left of Biden. Has endorsed something closer to Yang's policy
    -Guns - F rating from NRA (seeing your avatar.. you want someone in the White House with an F rating?)
    -Immigration - to the right of Biden as of lately
    -LGBTQ - mixed record - likely to the right of Biden
    -Abortion - Pro Choice - wash with Biden
    -Foreign Wars - Biden pulling out of Afghanistan, and refusing to involved NATO in Ukraine beyond supplying Javelins & Stingers..... pretty much exactly what Gabbard never shuts up about.
    and lastly:
    -Endorsed Joe Biden for President: Wash

    There is basically ONE item that Tulsi agrees with someone like you on besides maybe the southern border, and that's that she HATES Hillary Clinton, and the Democrats... even though she is basically Bernie Sanders from a policy perspective.

    The reason why Democrats do not trust her is because it's obvious that she's a Putin/Assad apologist, and there is something deeply disturbing with her rhetoric about Putin & Assad. But from a policy perspective, Democrats typically support pretty much all her policy positions over time. You can't win in Hawaii of all places having policy positions to the right of someone like Joe Biden.

    So it's clear to me that you have no idea what you are talking about with Tulsi Gabbard. She's someone YOU THINK you like just because she hates Democrats, and obviously you have a deep affection for murderous tyrants like Putin and Assad too.

    But from a governing standpoint if you voted for a Tulsi Gabbard presidency, YOU'D BE VOTING FOR SOMEONE TO THE LEFT OF JOE BIDEN.
     
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  14. Nook

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    It could be, although we know that Elena was supported by the Kremlin with the specific purpose of spreading the message of Russian interests in politics and the population as a whole. We also know that she wasn't just financially supported and lived in a million dollar penthouse in NY, but that she also had direct communications with Putin.

    Is it coincidence that she gave her donation to one of the only politicians that supported the Russian intervention in Syria and supported the dictatorship in Syria? We also know that she was very active in Hawaii and that she had contacts with a congress person in Hawaii. Was that Tulsi? Probably, but the record on the name is currently sealed.

    It isn't that Tulsi was bought off or paid by Elena or the Kremlin. It is more startling that someone that is a known law breaker and deal maker that is financially supported by the Kremlin supports Tulsi, and her very pro Kremlin positions.

    Elena also isn't just some innocent person stuck in the middle. She was financially supported by Russia and lived a lavish lifestyle. She actively formed Kremlin back organizations and attempted to network with politicians to get the Russian talking points advanced. She lied to the FBI and then she fled the country and returned to Russia. In Russia she gave an interview where she stated she would have been arrested had she stayed in the USA.

    Maybe it was all a troll job by Elena to cause problems..... or it could be that the positions that Tulsi takes are consistent with the interests of Russia. Does that mean she is "bought" by the Russians? No, but her positions are odd and pretty clearly not in the best interest of the USA or national intelligence.
     
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    Russia Sanctions President Biden, Secretary Blinken & Top Defense Officials

    Moscow has hit back against Washington by sanctioning top US leadership, including President Joe Biden himself. The punitive retaliation measures extend to the chiefs of the Pentagon, and Secretary of State Antony Blinken and CIA Director William Burns. Russian state media announced in a Tuesday statement:

    "Russia on Tuesday sanctioned US President Joe Biden, Secretary of State Tony Blinken, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, and ten other administration officials and political figures. Moscow has said that the sanctions are a reciprocal measure, imposed after Washington blacklisted top Russian leaders, including President Vladimir Putin."

    Despite the measures being largely symbolic - as it will be essentially impossible for Moscow to actually go after US officials' assets unless they are held in Russia itself (and certainly no top American official is looking to travel to Russia anytime soon) - it signals that tensions with the West are ratcheting fast, with increasingly few off-ramps as the two sides chart a war-footing course.
     
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    Had Tulsi Gabbard:

    A. had a personality of some sort that was likable
    B. not been openly endorsing murderous tyrants like Putin & Assad
    C. not tried to pull the Trump playbook of running against her own party by acting like an antagonizing clown in the primaries

    I absolutely think she's someone that would be skyrocketing her way up the ladder of the party, and might have even been a VP candidate. Her background and rhetoric on Assad though is downright terrifying. Something is off there, and everyone sees it with their own two eyes.

    These Trumpers just have no idea what they are talking about with Tulsi Gabbard. They wouldn't for 2 seconds think to vote for her if she was running as a Republican... but then again... they did vote for Trump who was also a Democrat his entire life up until he saw how gullible and racist these Republican voters really are, and here we are.
     
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    Hell no LOL. I didn't think I even gave a hint that was the case.. I was making a funny. I have no interest in watching/listening to Tucker Carlson make a fool out of himself and our country on National TV.
     
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    So Elena lived a lavish lifestyle but only gave two meager contributions of $10 and the other for $49.95 ? One that you can’t even buy a number one Big Mac meal, the other you might not even spend filling up your tank? Her positions on NATO is based on how she approaches where involvement starts and stops with non NATO status countries ..this is hardly pro Putin , and given her military background, I would imagine she has a basis for how involved we are. I feel she is very legitimate in raising issues and explaining her stance and whether you agree or not is up to you but this isn’t a cause of concluding her position isn’t in our best interests
     
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    We're going to need to take a break for a bit so the Clutch BBS GOPsters can figure out what side they're on?

    Half of them are - still, despite, or maybe because of - the war crimes and atrocities are on on Russia's side like @ROXRAN ant Tucker, and others are pretending like they've always been against Putin except for when they went into a medically-induced coma from 2016-2021 like @basso and Marco Rubio. And some don't even know what they're supposed to think yet @Commodore and @tinman (note Elon is wavering)

    @Os Trigonum can you do us a solid and schedule a Zoom call so you guys can get on the same page.
     
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