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  1. Amiga

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    Article on the origin of Ukraine 'biolab' (weapon) conspiracy. Three parties are pushing it: Russia, China, US far right.

    QAnon, Ukraine and 'biolabs': Russian propaganda efforts boosted by U.S. far right

    March 14, 2022, 8:55 AM CDT
    By Ben Collins and Kevin Collier

    Russia’s early struggles to push disinformation and propaganda about Ukraine have picked up momentum in recent days, thanks to a variety of debunked conspiracy theories about biological research labs in Ukraine. Much of the false information is flourishing in Russian social media, far-right online spaces and U.S. conservative media, including Tucker Carlson’s show on Fox News.

    The theories, which have been boosted by Russian and Chinese officials, come as U.S. officials warn that Russia could be preparing a chemical or biological weapons attack of its own in Ukraine.


    Most of the conspiracy theories claim that the U.S. was developing and plotting to release a bioweapon or potentially another coronavirus from “biolabs”’ throughout Ukraine and that Russia invaded to take over the labs. Many of the theories implicate people who are often the targets of far-right conspiracy thinking — including Dr. Anthony Fauci and President Joe Biden — as being behind creating the weaponized diseases in the biolabs.

    Disinformation experts said the biolabs theory echoes other Russian propaganda meant to justify its military efforts, which often makes allegations against other countries and populations that reflect similar attacks it plans to make.

    PolitiFact has debunked the theories, and no evidence of U.S.-run bioweapons labs in Ukraine has been put forward. Avril Haines, the director of national intelligence, told the Senate Intelligence Committee the U.S. has no evidence that Ukraine has pursued bioweapons and that the only assistance provided by the U.S. was “in the context of biosafety.”

    “The ‘biolabs’ are serving as a false justification for why Russia invaded Ukraine. It’s defensive,” said Clint Watts, an MSNBC contributor who is a senior fellow at the Center for Cyber and Homeland Security at George Washington University. “They create a situation where they go to a populist audience, push out talking points, get the audience primed and make it true later.”

    Gavin Wilde, a managing consultant at the Krebs Stamos Group, a security consulting company, who previously was director for Russia, Baltic, and Caucasus affairs on the White House National Security Council, said the theories appeared to focus on the U.S. Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, which was created to decommission Soviet-era chemical and biological weapons.

    He said the program “has long provided fodder for Russian propaganda campaigns” and can be particularly effective on Russian residents.

    “In a media environment almost completely dominated by Kremlin narratives — with few independent or Western outlets remaining — creating a pretext for escalation that the Russian public will accede to using these well-worn narratives is an easy task,” Wilde said.

    The “biolabs” conspiracy theories were almost unheard of until the day of Russia’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.

    Pyrra Technologies, a cybersecurity and threat intelligence company, said the first mention of biolabs came on the far-right social network Gab on Feb. 14, 10 days before the invasion. The user included an awkwardly worded graphic, titled “Exclusive US biolabs in Ukraine, and they are financed at the expense of the US Department of Defense.”

    The post largely sat idle for days. Welton Chang, the CEO of Pyrra, said posts about biolabs on the top 15 far-right social networks numbered in the single digits in the days before Russia’s invasion. But on Feb. 24, the day Russia began its invasion, the number of posts about biolabs on English-language far-right websites skyrocketed into the hundreds and only grew in the days after.

    Boosted by far-right influencers on the day of the invasion, an anonymous QAnon Twitter account titled @WarClandestine pushed the “biolabs” theory to new heights, using the same “US biolabs” graphic initially included on the Gab post that went largely unshared the week before.

    Twitter said the account and others that pushed the biolabs theory were banned for “multiple violations of our abusive behavior policy.”

    The biolab conspiracy theory has taken over as the prevailing narrative on pro-Trump and QAnon websites like The Great Awakening and Patriots.Win.

    Chang said the rhetoric on pro-Trump sites, which had largely been anti-Putin in the first days of the war, has shifted because of the biolab conspiracy theory.

    “These communities already know what the rhythm and cadence of Covid conspiracies should be like to get people to buy it,” Chang said. “They had a lot of practice with QAnon. The kinds of things that get people excited, like any time you say ‘secret biolab,’ it gets people’s emotions up.”

    Russian and Chinese officials have also boosted the theory. On Tuesday, China’s Foreign Affairs Ministry began pushing the conspiracy theory, asking for a “full account” of Ukraine’s “biological military activities at home and abroad.”

    By Wednesday, almost two weeks after the invasion, the conspiracy theory had reached Carlson, who led his show claiming that the “Biden administration was funding secret biolabs in Ukraine.”

    On Thursday, Russia requested a meeting at the U.N. Security Council about “military biological activities” in the U.S.

    The Kremlin has a long history of planting false reports that the U.S. was developing chemical or biological warfare to distract from its own use of such weapons, said Thomas Rid, a professor of strategic studies at Johns Hopkins University and the author of a history of Soviet and U.S. disinformation tactics.

    In the early 1980s, as Soviet forces deployed chemical agents in Afghanistan and Laos, the Kremlin tried to distract from such attacks by publishing false tales, like one that the CIA was developing weaponized mosquitoes in Pakistan to spread encephalitis in Afghanistan.

    “There were multiple incidents of Soviet disinformation that involved claims of American bioweapons, including the big one, HIV/AIDS,” Rid said.

    “I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s another attempt at accusing the other side of the thing they are in fact doing,” Rid said.

    Zignal Labs, which analyzes social media, broadcast, traditional media and online conversations, found that English-language influencers helped create the talking point for Russian propaganda.

    “Mentions of the bioweapon lab narrative in Russian doubled on March 6th,” about 10 days after the start of the invasion, Zignal Labs said in a report. From Wednesday to Friday, Russian mentions of the biolab conspiracy theory on social media have outpaced posts about the same propaganda in English, the report said.

    Rid said he sees the theories as playing on some Americans’ fears about Covid.

    “For the far right, I think it’s also about China and Covid,” Rid said. “It’s all mixed up in this mesh of fear and conspiracy theory about where Covid really came from. It’s just something that a lot of people can emotionally relate to, because the pandemic affected them so brutally for the past two years.”
     
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    The best form of virtue is to act like a repugnant psychopath in public, so as to avoid signalling and induce others to follow you on the path to righteousness.

    But privately, as long as you and a tight circle know you're a good dude - it all works out.

    This is how successful societies all operate. Look it up it's on history channel.
     
  4. Deckard

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    Troll.
     
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    Meanwhile it’s a fact that Russian agents literally donate to her campaign fund. I mean I’m no treason expert but yeah…

    Then there’s the whole spreading disinformation meant to justify bombing and killing women and unborn children at maternity wards.

    Again… no treason expert but I am an expert in piece of sh$t douchebags like Tucker Carlson.
     
  8. Nook

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    Both are traitors.
     
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    Tulsi Gabbard is such a hero in so many ways . Most ideal Democrat and should have been the VP to replace sleepy Joe
     
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    Decks is the classic normie. Repeats what the 5 o'clock news tells him. Thinks those that disagree are the dumb ones.

    Decks during COVID:
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  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Literally when I was A producer Designer on Starlancer, it was an alternative history future space game - where Russia was still our enemy, so were the main forces you fight.

    When I was doing PR in Germany, a Russian press agent asked me why the Russians were always the bad guys in our games.

    My answer "Well, until Russia stops pirating our games and starts actually paying for them, they will remain the bad guys"

    My PR rep from Microsoft was not amused - but I said....so what, the truth is the truth......heheh.

    DD
     
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    It takes one to know one.. amirite?
     
  13. Space Ghost

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    Tulsa as president and Harris as vp
     
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    Nothing wrong with taking campaign donations from a Russian spy right?
     
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    trump, trump, trumpity, trump.
     
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    I looked into this / I’m sure this is about Elena Branson who made two small contributions in 2019 to Gabbard's presidential campaign for a combined total of $59.95, which is wholly insignificant on itself - two people can’t even go to the movies with popcorn, a coke and candy to cover that …also no there is nothing substantial to support whether Gabbard had any contact with Branson or Russian officials for that matter-Gabbard's campaign has received thousands of contributions over the years, so she was not aware of Branson's miniscule contributions ($10 and $49.95) to Tulsi Now- after things came to light - guess what? Gabbard donated the money (all $59 of it) to a charity that supports veterans- the smear attempt from her own party is sickening- the more I look into the ridiculousness of the claim the more I know Tulsi is the star the democrats simply can’t see
     
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    Are you seriously going to defend Tucker Carlson’s behavior?
     
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    I guess the issue here isn’t whether she knowingly was receiving or depending on financial support from Russia, it”s that she alone was the candidate who received a donation from this agent. Is this evidence of treason? Not so much.
     
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    You think that’s a dig and your funny but I’ll be the first to admit any time that I don’t have all the answers and have been wrong many times on many things. Especially my picks for who the rockets should draft.

    Humility is something you right wingers just can’t seem to grasp and that’s a big reason why you keep on reaching towards clowns like Trump
    who just lie to you to tell you what you want to hear in an alternate universe.

    Look… the fact is Putin hates ALL of the United States and if he had it his way he’d kill you. He’s said as much about his disdain for the west even when theres Republicans in charge. So stop the bullsh$t, realize you guys were wrong to get in bed with people who are Putin superfans, and can we just move along as the dysfunctional democracy that we all used to know and love?

    I can admit I’ve had my moments when I thought I was cool enough to have frosted tips, hoop earrings, and listen to Blood Hound Gang. You guys can admit this whole flirtation thing with the guy who has nukes pointed at your grandmas houses wasn’t the smartest move ever and let’s just move on can we??
     
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