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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Ubiquitin

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    Per Twitter Iran fired them. Add Iran vs Iraq to the list of conflicts.
     
  2. basso

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  3. deb4rockets

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    Oh, I thought I had you on ignore. What are you going on about him being a mindless tool of corporate global elites and media?

    Let's talk about what Putin is doing. Do you prefer we, and all NATO nations just sit back and watch Russia kill innocent civilians daily because Ukraine isn't part of Nato? Are you against giving weapons to Ukraine to help them resist? What would you do?
     
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  5. Ubiquitin

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    Lmao I was just complaining to my wife about this.
     
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  6. MojoMan

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    Screw that. You now appear to be as obsessed with Putin in a similar way that you have been obsessed with covid and Donald Trump. I have no interest in enabling this sad recurring recurring pattern of mental dysfunction for you or anyone else around here.

    Instead, lets have a responsible, calm, rational and above all realistic discussion about how we get of of this mess and what a realistic off ramp consists of here.

    It does not matter what anyone "wants," or what anyone's feelings are about all of this, regardless of the fact that you have allowed yourselves to be played by these people, yet again, and are now wound up into an unrestrained tissy. This is not constructive. It is not helpful.

    1. Fact: Russia is not going to stand down. They regard this as a critical, strategic, even perhaps an existential threat to their nation, which they are currently at war over, and which they are ready to go to WWIII with us over, if we want to push it to that. They are not going to stop.
    2. Fact: Russia benefits by the oil embargo declared by Brandon, as almost no other country in the world is joining in the boycott, and more expensive oil just makes the Russian rich. The other sanctions are painful, not only to them, but also to us. However, they are not enough to cause the Russians to alter their plans.
    3. Fact: Russia is one of the most powerful military nations on Earth, and Ukraine does not stand a chance against them militarily. It is just a matter of time before the Russians take Kiev and anywhere else in Ukraine they set out to take. The corporate media propaganda suggesting that Russia is loosing this or is likely to just turn around and withdraw is mental fodder for the mentally weak and foolish. Unless the west declares war and goes all-in, the Russians are going to achieve their objectives here, albeit at greater expense than they had originally imagined.

    So, what is the way out? Other than WWIII? Do you see it, yet?
     
  7. Ubiquitin

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    edit: that pic was from 2020.
     
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  8. MojoMan

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    No. The next act if Brandon, the Democrat left and the establishment globalist elites get their way is that they sign the Iranians back up to a nuclear enablement deal that is apparently even worse than the one that Obama authored, and then they go out and boast about it.

    Think about that in light of this apparent attack here.
     
  9. larsv8

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    I know the North Atlantic Globalist Elites are always on my mind, but probably not for the same reason as you.
     
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    I'm asking you. Do you want us to send our troops now and start WWIII? I find it so weird that you say I am obsessed with Putin. Who else is to blame? It's his orders and his troops killing Ukrainians. Dang dude, of course I'm going to mention him. That's not obsession. That's like saying don't mention Hitler when you talk about the war he started.
     
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  11. Deckard

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    A humanitarian catastrophe brought on by Vladimir Putin ignoring international law and ordering the illegal invasion of the sovereign nation of Ukraine by the military of the Russian Federation. I'm sure they included that pertinent information. Surprised that they didn't use a larger font.
     
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  12. AleksandarN

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    And what Russian news agency do you get your news from?
     
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    He got it from "FxMacro" - whatever the hell that is.
     
  14. MojoMan

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    No. I want us to be realistic and do what we can to deescalate this madness. This did not need to happen and it does not need to continue. However, the policies implemented by the current regime occupying the white house are having the focused effect of escalating this conflict, not deescalating it. And they appear to be designed for that purpose, as insane as that is.

    As far as who is to blame, there is clearly plenty of blame to go around. But that is a foolish place to focus, especially for those key actors who are so lacking in self awareness or moral accountability that they imagine themselves as being above and beyond reproach here.

    We need to get some grown ups involved in this, who can put their feelings aside and who are mature enough to realize that trying to manipulate the masses into yet another corporate media led lynch mob hysterical hate frenzy is spectacularly counterproductive to the goal of deescalating this and making it stop. But if the actions taken by Brandon and his crew are any indication, they do not want it to stop.
     
  15. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    It certainly deserving of serious consideration. But I hope the US, allies, and countries around the world are making the plan for what actions to take in case Russia does use a tactical nuke.

    By the way, tactical nukes are still pretty devastating, an 8KT nuke hitting the heart of downtown houston would destroy or heavily damage most of the area between 45, 69, and 10 while giving a fatal dose of radiation and 3rd burns to anyone in that zone. Fatalities would be 50k.

    This is a cool tool if you want to see for yourself: https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
     
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    Deescalate it how? How can we stop the bloodshed Putin is inflicting? Stop blaming Biden if you want to have an honest discussion. Stop calling our government a regime and trying to act like they are in any way to blame for PUTIN committing war crimes. He's the evil one. Make no mistake. BTW, I am a grownup. I'm not one of the one drinking that Kool-Aid!
     
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  17. Ubiquitin

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    There is no deescalation. Ukraine is sovereign nation and was invaded by a much larger, stronger neighbor for the sake of invasion.
     
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    With all due respect, you are wasting your time, in my opinion. I had to click the "Show Ignored Content" button to see who you were replying to. He will post the same nonsense over and over again, no matter how well you respond to his posts, no matter what evidence you post in reply.
     
  19. deb4rockets

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    You and I know that but Mojo seems to think who knows what. He has no answer. Just lashes out at anyone but Putin.
     
  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    In some cases it actually creates more fallout than a city buster. Reason is that a tactical nuke will usually strike the surface which means the ionizing radiation and fireball is going to take in a lot of surface material where a city buster explodes high up to maximize the thermal blast / shockwave in causing casualties but doesn't suck-up and ionize as much of the surface - creating less radioactive fallout being lifted up into the air
     

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