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[Official] Texans 2022 Draft thread

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Castor27, Jan 11, 2022.

  1. STR8Thugg

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    except in practice very few actually run around with 2 hands on the ball, just watch any game and you would see that not whats going on
     
  2. cmoak1982

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    Mahomes is 6’3
    Rodgers is 6’2, same as Watson.

    Brees is the outlier along with Wilson. Still, more likely to be better if you’re 6’2/6’3 or taller
     
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    It’s in the pocket. Most fumbles happen in pocket, not outside. And yes, most QBs have two hands on ball at all times in pocket
     
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    Mahomes was measured at 6’2 at the Combine. All of these measurements are publicly available along with arm length and hand size on nfl.com
     
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    That was a typo. Regardless 6’2 is the low bar.
    6 ft is short
     
  6. STR8Thugg

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    I realize I'm parsing over 1 inch, but that's essentially what you are doing.

    Mahomes was 74.12 inches in height at the NFL combine, unless you're telling me he grew another inch after that, you do the math.

    Lamar Jackson isn't very tall, and he's won an MVP.

    The idea that you can't have success unless you're over a specific height is a dinosaur's game.

    You could still call shorter QB's outliers, sure, but I would argue Malik Willis skillset is an outlier, especially in this draft.

    In the end, if Willis goes to Detroit, he chance of success probably goes down. If he falls to Pittsburgh at 20, it might be a slam dunk. So I get that it's a crapshoot. For what it's worth, I do think the Texans are moving in the right direction, and I think he would get the support he needs here.

    That being said, I'm ready for the Davis Mills show.
     
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    No that was a typo. 6’2 is the low bar.

    And Lamar isn’t a great example, he hasn’t progressed at all. He’s not a good QB. He is an explosive athlete. If Willis had that kind of explosiveness with his legs I could understand the hype. Willis doesn’t have that explosion. He has wheels but he’s not the fastest guy on the field whenever he’s out there. He will be a high 4.5 to mid 4.6 guy with average to above average explosive testing.
    At just over 6 ft. That’s Jalen Hurts with more arm strength.
     
  8. STR8Thugg

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    There are plenty of examples of players that had question marks and they paned out.

    I do find it a little odd that you are willing to overlook a lot of the measurables for Pickett, but for Willis you want to nitpick every angle. At the end of the day, Willis is a better athlete and he has a stronger arm, and I also think his accuracy issues are overblown, he was at least over 60% in college. I would rather roll the dice for him.

    To clarify, this is not an endorsement to draft him at 3, it's me arguing that he's a better prospect than Pickett.

    eta - Jalen Hurts with more arm strength sounds pretty damn enticing.
     
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    Pickett measurables are only hands and it doesn’t affect his throwing.
    Pickett is a much better QB than Willis and is a comparable athlete.
    If Pickett was 21 he would be number 1 prospect.
    Arm strength is flashy but doesn’t do anything more than a good arm with great accuracy.
    There’s been far more big arm busts that weren’t accurate than not.
    Throwing percentage isn’t an indicator of accuracy either. Not in college. Scheme can inflate it. Just like Romans system with Lamar.

    I like Willis, but arm strength and legs aren’t why. He’s still far more raw than Pickett and Corral, even Ridder.
     
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    Also, Jalen Hurts with an accurate arm excites me.
    Arm strength is already solid.
     
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    Neither one of them are top tier prospects.

    Corral and Strong have just as good a chance of being successful as these guys.

    Tell me what makes these guys better prospects than say Ridder?
     
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    I do get the excitement of Willis. Big arm and got some wheels. Supposedly a great kid too.
    Just seen too many athletes not be QBs lately. Corral could be the exact same way. Big arm and wheels, but played in a gimmicky system. Granted against far better competition.
     
  13. STR8Thugg

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    I really like Ridder. If he lands in the right system (I would have previously said NO, but now who knows) I could see him being very successful. He has some of his own issues as well, but I like Ridder a lot.
     
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    I didn’t realize he was 4.4 type fast. Definitely doesn’t look that fast during a game but the kid is a winner
     
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    I've started to lean into a trade down with a team that wants one of the QBs as long as it stays within the top 10. Pick whoever slides a bit. Kayvon, Sauce, Hamilton. All guys who could still be there at 10 post combine. May as well try to get a couple more picks.
     
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    There's an argument to be made for that, for sure.
     
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    Here is a good article on how Josh Allen improved his accuracy.

    “In this era, we have a much better grasp of how the kinematic chain works, thanks to advances in technology. Sure, a grizzled quarterback guru with 20 years of experience might be able to watch offseason workouts and make subtle tweaks in a quarterback's delivery, but these days that same coach could also look down at his iPad and read -- thanks to a microchip implanted inside the football -- the velocity, the spin rate and integrity of a spiral in seconds.

    "Ball don't lie," Palmer says. "We also use a 4D, high-speed, motion capture camera system called Biometrek. It's a startup out here in California. They have 16 high-speed cameras and we'll throw in their [studio], then you use a computer to turn your guy into a little stick figure. We use that to look at weight distribution, mass and the kinematic sequence, which is the hip going first, then the shoulder and ultimately the arm firing. That was the biggest thing for Josh. Is his first movement going down into the ground and loading? Or was his first movement just at the target? The difference between bad and great, especially in a workout setting, is minor. But Josh is really, really athletic, and that's an underrated part of this. It allows him to make permanent changes really quickly."”

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30656535/how-bills-qb-josh-allen-went-mediocrity-mvp-contender

    This is why Ridder and Willis will probably go higher than they would have 5 years ago in spite of accuracy issues. Technology and coaching have come along way…
     
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    There shouldn't be any excuses anymore. It's a matter of work ethic and being able to process quickly.
     
  19. Verbal Christ

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    https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/nfl-dr...d-mock-draft-post-trade-mania-shakes-up-draft

    In this one Deshuan Watson is dealt to Carolina for their pick and what I can only assume brings CMC over as new RB1 as the article doesnt expound on the actual trade.

    HOU picks kyle Hamilton and Kayvon Thibodaux in the 1st round. Christian Watson with their 2nd rounder. Thats a hell of a haul without even including any day 2 selections. The defense would get a HUGE infusion of talent at the 2 most critical positions in a Tampa 2 with the cover 3 robber that Hamilton would play and obviously the premier edge rusher on the other side of Greenard. Mills would thrive with CMC catching balls out of the backfield and eating up yards. Watson is as intriguing a WR prospect as any other WR this year. It would make watching Texans games close to must see TV again.

    Keep Tunsil - no need to rush into a deal just for the hell of it. Dangle him during the season when a team is desperate, but go into the season with some continuity in the OL and focus on shoring up the biggest talent gaps without creating new ones.
     
  20. whag00

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    Hutchinson will probably go 1 based on the moves the Jags have made and the Texans don’t need a tackle with Tunsil coming back. So the first option should be a trade down and the second option should be Gardner or Hamilton at 3 and the best edge rusher with the 2nd pick in the 1st round.
     
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