1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Ukraine

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,040
    Likes Received:
    23,300
    Not anywhere close to what we are doing now.

    Erdogan didn't support or participate in the sanction in 2014. He doesn't support and is not participating in the sanction in 2022. He has tried to maintain support for both Russia and Ukraine. The statement he made about the West response is kind of weird. He doesn't want military action against Russia and he doesn't support sanctions. Not sure what he meant.
     
    Ubiquitin and Major like this.
  2. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,040
    Likes Received:
    23,300
    Risking 15 years jail

     
    Ubiquitin likes this.
  3. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    33,261
    Likes Received:
    9,230
    wow, a @thegary sighting. been a while man.
     
    Ubiquitin and B-Bob like this.
  4. thegary

    thegary Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2002
    Messages:
    11,005
    Likes Received:
    3,127
    Yeah bro, you still in the city?
     
    Ubiquitin and basso like this.
  5. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    33,261
    Likes Received:
    9,230
    a city, no longer the city. decamped to the 6th borough several years ago.

    you?
     
    Ubiquitin likes this.
  6. thegary

    thegary Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2002
    Messages:
    11,005
    Likes Received:
    3,127
    Jersey?
    I’m still in BK.
     
    Ubiquitin likes this.
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,181
    Likes Received:
    20,334
    I not an expert, but I thought all artillery had recoil. Hand held rocket launcher doesn't have recoil because it's open in the back.
     
    Ubiquitin likes this.
  8. Ottomaton

    Ottomaton Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2000
    Messages:
    19,182
    Likes Received:
    15,318
    MLRS is artillery and operates on the same principal as hand held rocket launcher, just a bunch of scaled up barrels mounted on a tractor or truck.



    Also if you want to get technical there is a thing called a recoilless rifle which is mostly without recoil that definitely qualifies as field artillery. I've seen recent pictures of them mounted on Toyota Hiluxes in Syria.

     
    #5308 Ottomaton, Mar 11, 2022
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2022
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    128,607
    Likes Received:
    38,827
    This is where you are wrong, it is 100% in our strategic interest to take Putin down while he is weak.

    DD
     
    Blatz, Major and Ubiquitin like this.
  10. Bandwagoner

    Bandwagoner Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2006
    Messages:
    27,102
    Likes Received:
    3,755
    I'm not trying to argue. The dude was super close and got wrecked. The tweet was making it sound like they were using drones to remotely see where rounds were landing. The drone doesn't really seem useful in that fight at all.
     
    Ubiquitin and Sweet Lou 4 2 like this.
  11. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    35,975
    Likes Received:
    36,809
    Famous for their ineffective work in many godzilla films of the 60s and 70s.

    [​IMG]
     
    #5311 B-Bob, Mar 11, 2022
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2022
  12. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    33,261
    Likes Received:
    9,230
    Philly area. it's nice, house, trees, dogs. very civilized.
     
    Ubiquitin likes this.
  13. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,181
    Likes Received:
    20,334
    He's only getting weaker with time.
     
  14. thegary

    thegary Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2002
    Messages:
    11,005
    Likes Received:
    3,127
    I like Philly, it’s the Jersey version of BK. :)
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    128,607
    Likes Received:
    38,827
    And all those people you claim to care about are dying.

    DD
     
  16. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,181
    Likes Received:
    20,334
    Just like they are in Yemen and every other country and war we don't get involved in. As hard as it is to accept, this is how the world works. And you should know that getting involved isn't going to save those people but will result in more people getting killed, not less.
     
    Ubiquitin likes this.
  17. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,681
    Likes Received:
    16,205
    I suspect if the world got involved in WW2 when Germany invaded Poland, a lot fewer people would have died.

    I also suspect lots fewer people died when the US got involved in many other conflicts like Serbia-Bosnia.

    This whole war-is-always-bad simplification is silly.
     
    Blatz and Ubiquitin like this.
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,181
    Likes Received:
    20,334
    I don't disagree with you. But I also don't agree that getting involved in Ukraine will save more lives that it will cost.

    At the end of the day, it is your opinion that it will, and it is mine that it will not.
     
    Major likes this.
  19. Surfguy

    Surfguy Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 1999
    Messages:
    24,464
    Likes Received:
    12,714
    He's safe...at Flight Level 350.
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    58,167
    Likes Received:
    48,333
    One of the problems that I have with this whole situation is personally don't have a good sense of exactly how the war is going and how strong Ukrainian forces are and / or how weak Russian forces are.

    We are bombarded with reports that Russia is very weak, taking massive losses, bogging down and Ukrainians are mounting effective defenses. Then simultaneously reports and maps showing Russian advances and calls that Ukrainian will be destroyed unless we put in a no-flyzone and start giving them offensive aid.

    There are contradictory reports of how many Russian forces are in Ukraine, some are saying almost all of the forces that were along the borders two weeks ago are now in Ukraine. There are other reports saying that there is still significant forces that haven't crossed the border and are being held in reserve.

    Also even as Ukraine is asking for the MiGs from Poland there is no clear reports on how much air power Ukraine has or that Russia has committed. When I see numbers it's only how many Russian aircraft the Ukrainians have taken out.

    Obviously the fog of war is a real thing but given the stakes of this war it makes it even harder to know for certain what is going on. I also get and agree that the Ukrainians are the victims here and we are very sympathetic to them. I also agree they are mastering social media and basically information warfare much better than the Russians. The problem with that though is that if we are to enter this war we should know more.

    I will even go further and say it's a disservice of our news media to only be reporting on Russian losses except when it comes to to talking about civilian deaths of Ukrainians. There was a lot of that type of reporting in the leadup to the first Gulf War and to the invasion of Iraq.

    Given the stakes of us potentially entering the war and that what we do might be driven a lot by public opinion I think it's very important we have a clearer understanding of what is going on.
     
    Nook and Sweet Lou 4 2 like this.

Share This Page