@steddinotayto delivered such a lopsided beatdown of bobby that i was willing to take bobby off ignore in order to fully enjoy it
@steddinotayto you are great at presenting your data. Too bad you are presenting to a brick wall that just can't admit they are wrong on a basketball forum. appreciate your posts.
yup, you see it isn't even about basketball. People just hate the kid literally for no reason. Who ever made those low IQ comments are just classless POS
To translate, yes, you can criticize players for being completely lost on the court for half the season even if they are 19 for some of that time. Almost always when players are that pathetically lost on both sides of the court, it takes a really long time to turn things around. Credit to Green for managing to start paying so well so quickly. I didn't think he could. I'll still call out those attempting to pretend he was never absolutely terrible.... or that going from that pathetic to this good this quickly isn't ridiculously rare. That said, credit is due to steddinotayto for bringing much more advanced levels of sophistry than the rest of the cult. Pointing out the flaws in basically every basketball metric in an attempt to dismiss the fact that Jalen Green was absolutely terrible according to all of them in order to make it seem like he didn't massively improve his play is a next level move. I'm sure many dumb people were swayed by it. Especially since it's partially true, every metric has flaws...... but when they all say the same thing..... yeah, you can't just waive your hands and say that they are all lying...... well you can, he did, but only a simpleton would go along with that. In the end it doesn't really matter, the false narrative that Jalen Green was never absolutely terrible and that his level of improvement was nothing special can spread and it won't really change anything. It'll take away a bit from Green's accomplishments, but that's ultimately fine. No one will care in 5 years that a group of people worked to trivialize his rookie accomplishments.
the one who called him dumb as a bag of rocks was imanimal, a known garbage poster with multiple accounts the quality of poster between the Jalen Green hate group and the support squad is a staggering difference Jalen Green hate group = mostly trolls and casuals support squad = funny, insightful, knowledgeable it’s like the 96 Bulls vs the 7 win Bobcats
Again, do you comprehend the reason why I used the data that I used? Like that is a serious question. If you want to open the scope up to more players than just: Rookie shooting/scoring guards selected in the lottery In a comparison table for Jalen Green then by all means tell me. If it's the "you can only find a handful of players? LOL" that bothers you so much I can dig into data beyond 2012. I thought it was useful to 1. keep the data as recent as possible 2. not have to do extensive work to get my point across. If you want me to include non-lottery picks just say so. If you want me to include undrafted free agents let me know. Who is this "we" you're speaking of? Anyways, you and some others (I guess that's the "we") are so focused on "Jalen was REALLY bad but now he's really good" is continually staring at the tree and missing the forest. What's that forest you ask? It's that based on historical data and trends, Jalen was most likely to improve as the season went on. Most looked at his shooting numbers and used that as a lightning rod to convince themselves that he wouldn't amount to anything better than Corey Brewer. I provided pre and post ASB numbers to outline that Jalen's numbers were bad but it showed about the same % improvement as past rookie shooting guards did. Just because there was an overreaction to Jalen's bad start (and now an overreaction to his hot February) doesn't mean it needs to be put into "ridiculously rare" levels. There's a reason why Green was touted as a Top 3 prospect leading up to the draft and there's a reason why Stone/Rockets selected him 2nd in the draft. Trying to give Jalen flowers now that he's going through the "I think I get it" phase of his rookie year after months of dragging the kid because he had an inconsistent start to his professional NBA career is, to put it mildly, a bit much. The takeaway from this Jalen Green Experience (sorry I've taken over your thread @Mathloom ) is that we need to be patient. Not only during Jalen's bad months but also during Jalen's good months. Whose to say he can't continue this scoring exhibition but also whose to say he won't hit a rookie wall? In either case patience is needed. When he makes The Leap into stardom we can and should appreciate the "ridiculously rare" talent we have on the team. Intentionally or untentionally the thread title fits perfectly into how we should view Jalen's first year in the NBA--it's a roller coaster full of ups and downs and we should enjoy the ride and not try to jump out at any extreme turns.
Too funny at this point to put on ignore. It's hard to look away from a train wreck. I am already cringing at how stupid things will get the next time Jalen struggles to shoot the ball for a game. Any sane person knows he'll have off nights here and there, but I have a feeling sanity isn't as ubiquitous here as you'd hope.
This is also decent sophistry. Motte: Jalen Green was likely to improve as the season went on Bailey: Jalen Green was likely to improve from completely lost on both ends of the court to a good as he's been the past month during his rookie season. Fallacious argumentation can be rhetorically effective.... but they are still invalid.
You literally do not know the difference between TS% and eFG%, and when called out on it, decided to re-write the meaning of TS% and eFG% to suit your argument.
Ok, recent rookie sg selected in the lottery. With negative winshare or -4 bpm prior to allstar break, lemme know the full list and how they turned out post allstar break.
Oh I do know the difference.... but it's clear that others don't. TS% shows how well a player is shooting the ball overall, weighing every shot the same, eFG% is more of an efficiency stat since it takes into consideration the value difference of the shots. You misunderstanding that and accusing me of not understanding it is hilarious though.
Improvement was always expected. It’s the degree that he has improved that’s the surprise. It’s a good thing, to be celebrated. But the people on the other side are so intent on “being right” and “proving us wrong” that they can’t even take it for what it is. They need something to argue about, it feeds this thread. It was never about Jalen, it was always about their ego, the arguments will never stop. See how that works? Two can play this game.
