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My bet is within 2 weeks everyone we know that watches FoxNews will be singing this song at least moderately "asking questions". This is exactly what happened with George Floyd as well. The right wing propaganda machine knew that everyone was united at first, and they saw the opportunity to create a wedge issue that could work for their benefit. So they dug into Floyd's past and found things they could use to soften the stance of those that watch Fox and within days people like my mom were like "well he wasn't perfect you know??..." or "well there are two sides to the story" etc. etc. The right is very very good at creating a wedge when they see Americans united because they know that they can turn their audience, and they know liberals will be like "no... it's still F-ed up, and wrong." Then arguments ensue, and Americans continue to hate each other, and fight.
It should be but even with George Floyd the evidence was right there, and was shocking. Yet they figured out how to work their audience. I can't speak to the ignorance of people like my mom, and why they want to engage in finding the other side to injustice just because Fox tells them to, but all I know is the history of the right wing propaganda machine, and if they can make a freaking virus political, I'm sure they can make Voldamir Zelensky politically a wedge character as well. Hell we've already seen it here. People here are already using the white nationalist group in the East in Ukraine as "evidence" that Ukraine has state sanctioned Nazi's. It's insane especially when you do 2 seconds of research to find out that this group doesn't hold one seat in parliament and only won 2% of the vote in the election last year.... yet it hasn't stopped even people here from stating that it's a justified reason for Putin bombing thousands of innocent victims.
It’s because our facts are hyper filtered by big tech algorithms by design. People see what they want to see and are exposed to more and more partisan drivel if they’re not mindful. Outrage drives engagement at the cost of accuracy. I literally do not see the same news sources as the posters I have ignore. But I also avoid fringe sources and do not believe everything I read.
Question for you? If Putin literally struck first, and lets say sank a US battleship unprovoked, do you think it would make a difference to the right? Prior to Pearl Harbor the US was also pretty damn divided on even Hitler. IMO it might be the only way we could intervene truly, and the further this goes, the more the right is going to not only oppose sending aid, and weapons, but also essentially rooting for the other side openly. My question is though, how deep is the right in disinformation right now? Even if Putin bombed the Woodlands, TX would Trumpers in Friendswood still think Putin is their buddy? I'm generally baffled by the right. However.... Keep in mind even this happened prior to Pearl Harbor with the right:
A big part of it though is seeing what you want to see to fit your worldview. I'll ask you the same question, if after a few months of FoxNews cramming talking point down their throat, if Putin bombed the Woodlands or Kingwood, would Trumpers in Friendswood or Santa Fe be moved to think much differently? Like how bad is it? Or a secondary question... If Putin bombed Portland, would Trumpers in Friendswood, TX be moved at all? Maybe that's a better example. I think in that case, since Portland is perceived as a liberals only city that Trumpers would react way differently than if Putin bombed another Trump loving city. What do you think? How bad is it really?
Agreed but we've also seen examples where sanctions go on indefinitely and the nation still survives. There will come a point where all of the nations implementing the sanctions grow weary and start dropping off. Also, I just want to point out that enforcing a no-fly zone doesn't mean war. In addition, if this was a case where Russia hadn't already invaded and we were discussing what to do the options would be different. In those cases we'd be looking to avoid war. Right now Russia has already started the war.
I guess we’ll see what happens with the right. I just have no faith that they’ll make it an us vs them issue like they did with George Floyd and Covid.
Yes. I'm familiar with the support for the Nazis in the US leading up to WWII along with the very strong strain of isolationism and not wanting to get involved in the European wars. One of the most interesting theories of history is whether FDR knew that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor ahead of time. There is also plenty of evidence that that FDR was trying to provoke the Japanese to attack. If Russia attacked us first I think that would lead to much more rallying around the flag but I don't think it would be unanimous. Consider when 911 happened how many were, and still are, claiming it was a false flag operation by either the Military Industrial Complex, Bildeberg Group, the Elders of Zion or all of the above. Since then the amounts of "alternative" information sources have only gotten greater and the political divide more bitter that if Russia would've attacked a US target first there would still be plenty of people claiming it was a false flag or even justifying it. This isn't the US troops but they are allies. When the previous Admin. pulled back US troops and military resources from the Kurds in Syrian and they were subsequently hit very hard by the Turks and Russian backed Syrian military many including here on D&D downplayed it and even called the Kurds ungrateful. So yes I think we are so divided that even an actual attack on our allies or even us there would still be many Americans who still wouldn't be united on responding or even out rightly opposing our own government's response.
