I think it's underrated how much Tate contributes to the selfishness and lack of ball movement in the team
I don't think Tate is a selfish player. He seemed to be enjoying the energy last night, and knowing him, he's going to want to be a part of that. I'm guessing Tate was told "you need to be a creator on this team while the young guys settle in." He showed last year he could do some playmaking, but I think he sees the kids settling in and will defer to Jalen and company when he comes back into the lineup.
It doesn't happen to every rookie but it's not hard to find examples of rookies (yes, even rookies drafted in the top 5-10) improving over the course of their first season. The issue was never whether or not Jalen was going to improve; the issue was mostly internal for you in that you, for some reason, wanted to write off the kid early into the season. If your stance is that you were trying to be the voice of reason on this board, attempting to counterbalance the "fanbois" or "cultists" or "kiddos" (that last word is funny because there's been only two members on this board that has gone out of their way to use that word in a negative connotation) that wanted to be patient and give Green a chance then I say you did your job because their "extremist" support/love for Green was met with your extreme/bleak view for a 19 year old rookie. As for finding examples of turnarounds like the one Green is experiencing, it's not hard. Sure these guys might not have been dead last in metrics when they started like how you kept emphasizing for Green but their turnarounds did occur and, if you were a "fan" of their respective teams, you might have written them off at the beginning as well: Jalen Green rookie season: 1st month: 34/29/44 FG/3Pt/TS% splits March: 53/38/63 Anthony Edwards rookie season: 1st month: 41/33/52 March: 42/30/52 Last month of season: 53/40/65 Darius Garland rookie season: 1st month (15 games): 38/39/49 Last month of season (11 games): 43/38/51 (COVID season) Jaylen Brown rookie season: 1st full month (15 games): 38/33/46 March (16 games): 49/33/56 Buddy Hield rookie season: 1st full month (16 games): 37/27/47 March (16 games): 48/43/61 Zach Lavine rookie season: 1st full month (11 games): 41/28/50 March (16 games): 40/43/53 Point is: it was reasonable to try and talk some sense into the overzealous members that expected greatness from Green out of the gate though I'm not sure there were all that many expecting him to be putting up 25-30 a night as a rookie anyways. I won't go into more details as to why most are clowning on you right now because you probably don't care. My two cents is that if you are as knowledgeable on the NBA game as you make yourself out to be, you wouldn't have written off Jalen Green so soon and so early. Anyone that has followed this game for as long as I have (or, at worst, be as old as I am) shouldn't make declarations on a newly minted rookie because the first few months were rough. You might think a statement like "I don't think I've ever seen a player be that completely lost on both sides of the ball improve as much as he has in the course of one season. It's something that just doesn't happen...." might make it seem as if Green is some sort of outlier but what he's going through is pretty normal for a rookie, specifically a score-first rookie.
NBA wings take longer to develop - that is no big secret. Bigs can come in and just "be tall" and grab boards, block some shots, put back dunks etc and are painted as safer picks. Pull up the stats for big men who were expected to be the "next big thing" or "unicorn" over the last however many years and they all have great rookie seasons and those that will wash out start to taper downwards from there. This was a real time exercise in some guys who allowed pride and ego to steer the wheel and wanted to be right so bad that they wouldnt allow optimism and a patient view to have a say - instead they'd rather mock and ridicule those guys for hoping for the best and keeping a positive attitude. A lot of true colors were exposed through this "Jalen Green Experience" and some really notable contributors here have not looked great in the process.
Agree 100%. I don't expect people who claim to be Rockets fans to stan this team/owner/organization/GM/players every step of the way but there's absolutely little to no value in subconsciously hoping that your narrow mindset/view on a rookie busting ends up being right. Like, if you really want the player to fail that badly (and, by extension, the team to fail that badly)...maybe you need a new team to support/antagonize.
It wasn't just that he was bad, it was just how bad he was..... completely lost on both sides of the ball.... didn't belong in an NBA court. To then bounce back to the extent he has is phenomenal. We're talking about a guy who caused his team's net rating to take a 20 point hit simply because he was on the court who has significantly improved to where he's now a benefit to his team when he's on the court. You cheapen that accomplishment when you downplay how extreme and unlikely it is.
I could drop Mobleys 1st year Synergy stats to kind of make EVERYONE feel ok about Green, but that would probably crash the site.
I should be shocked that you're trying to turn it against me by saying that I'm cheapening and downplaying his accomplishments but nothing about your posts surprises me anymore.
I think almost nobody has mentioned but he looks like a very mini Durant that can get his shots off everywhere, almost. His arms looks like Durant‘s, not as long.
But that's what you are doing. When you fail to acknowledge just how terrible he was and how remarkable the improvement has been, you cheapen the accomplishment. Players improve over the course of a season..... but they don't go from being a bad as Jalen Green was for half the season to where he was last night. That just doesn't happen.
It wasn't just that he was bad, it was just how bad he was..... completely lost on every forum.... didn't belong on the internet. To then double down to the extent he has is phenomenal. We're talking about a guy who caused his team's forum server to take a 20% performance hit simply from all the incoming "ignore user requests" because he had an account to where he's now still a net negative for the city of Houston whenever he posts. You cheapen that accomplishment when you downplay how extreme yet fully predictable it is.
Or perhaps I never wanted to take a few months of data and form an extremely pessimistic take on a rookie? Any rational fan on Jalen during the first few months: Yea he's not doing so well but he's a rookie. He needs to get better but that should come with time. You during the first few months: Look at this data--he's the worst player in the league. Based on these numbers, I seriously don't think he'll ever amount to anything. Corey Brewer anyone? Months later.... Any rational fan on Jalen right now: Huh...looks like all Jalen needed was some time to get acclimated to the league like any incoming rookie would. Maybe he'll turn out alright in the long haul. You: Oh my God I did not see this coming! Who knew that this was going to happen because I sure didn't! It's blowing my mind right now. Totally inconceivable!!
Not by those of us with a keen eye for playing. NWaba is the same way, he is selfish....only wants to score himself.... Tate shoots too much, he always tries to get in the paint and spin back left, he would be much more effective off the bench, he is not starter material on a good team. DD
I’m pumped he’s taking this step, any sort of consistency and the sky is the limit. Between him and Alp, and one of Chet/Jabari/Paolo. We have a future.
i highly doubt these dudes were eating soup at halftime. if i recall correctly something was thrown but we don't know if it was direct at anybody, or what it was. It was JR Smith that threw soup.
I agree that he had an incredible turnaround. A turnaround that is rare. And I hope that continues. But maybe part of that „phenomenal“ turnaround for you is, that you were a little too critical of him? I mean, yes, he was bad - but this whole, worst player in the league thing was missing the point. He was playing for the worst team in the league, so the +/- numbers will be bad. He was also playing without a true PG. He also had trouble to adapt to the system - a system which had him standing in the corner a lot, and when he had the ball, he had to create for himself without a pick or something like that to help him. In october and november you had seen glimpses. How many 3s did he hit this one game? 8? And there were plenty of times where he went by his defender with ease and finished with style. Thats what a lot of people in here saw as potential. And when he played better after the injury and in december they felt validated. Only to be crushed again by a brutal January. But there were signs of his potential even for this year all along. And then there was always the hope, that all the talk about his work ethic and mind set wasnt just marketing bull **** but hw actually was a gym rat with the burning desire to improve.
