It is true. Yes, a no-fly zone will prevent some and won't prevent many others (as I stated why before). So, it may help but does not solve the not bombing of innocents. I don't agree that's the only end game. A political solution is possible. I think he's bombing the hell out of everything to get to a better political solution and to avoid a forever proxy war and isolation. The West can enter and try to end/win this war. But I hope people are very clear on what they want. I think many people believe that we can just go in, establish a no-fly zone, and be done. What happens next is not thought of or out well. Let's be very clear on the choice - if we start with a no-fly zone, accept NATO war with Russia (WW3) as very likely as the next step. No, I do not think Putin is trying to get NATO involved. Suicidal for him to do that. If NATO gets involved - it's WW3 - Russia will likely lose pretty quickly based on how horrible their military has operated so far - Putin has no intention of using strategic nuke (just my belief) but he might be tempted to use chemical weapon or even tactical nuke to get to a stalemate - All out nuke can still happen not because of desire to use it but the process has been built into place that made it all possible...
He doesn't believe that the USA and Western Europe have the stomach to stop him and he is likely right. Putin doesn't really care if Russians suffer as long as he can limit protests on the street... he knows that as a dictator he can have his people suffer longer than Americans or Europeans will in a democracy. He also knows that every 4-8 years there is a new administration and he can get out of a lot of the sanctions long term. The idea that Putin is going to stop is comical to me. Many, many Russians that know him have all said the same thing - he isn't going to stop until someone stops him. This is a man that killed his own citizens by blowing up apartment buildings with Russians in them to start a civil war with the Chechens. This is a man that started a war with Georgians.... that was devastated that the Ukraine elected a non-Russian mouthpiece to be their President and responded by invading the Ukraine 8 years ago.... this is a man that took the Crimea.... a man that has now had a full invasion of the Ukraine and has said point blank that he doesn't consider the break up of the Soviet Union legal and accordingly all former Soviet lands are Russian lands...... this is a man that has assassinated critics openly all over the globe and interfered in the USA Presidential election of 2016. He isn't going to stop until he is dead.... if you want to try and appease him until he dies from murder or disease, then do be it.... but he isn't suddenly going to change course.... and this isn't the USA, he will either be murdered or murder the opposition.
Yes, and Hitler wasn't the only one responsible for WWII.... they both just want some breathing room and to protect their cultural identity. Look, you are full of ****........ very seldom are things on the international stage largely black and white, but this is one of those situations. Vladimir Putin is a dictator and crime lord, and he is responsible for the invasion of Ukraine... not the USA or Ukraine or any other nation. You are the same type of person that asks a woman with a black eye what she did to her husband to make him hit her. Take your different colored hats, and Atlantic elite BS and go to StormFront.
This wouldn't shock me. As @Major said earlier, at some point the USA and Europe need to start becoming proactive and not reactive to threats. We have known Putin is a problem for a long time and everyone kicks the can down the road for political survival and greed.
Just to reply to one of your other posts, yeah, we all know it is propaganda what Putin is airing. But, a big one, he still is in control of one of the best intelligence agencies in the world. They have intelligence reports of Ukraine trying to kill many separatists in the Donbass area for example. They know the real situation first hand, better than anyone of us.
Voters believe Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine under Trump. Logic agrees "Swing voters, Trump/Biden voters, they seem to buy the idea that Putin wouldn’t have done this if Trump was president. How does the Democratic Party answer for that? I don’t buy that, I don’t think that matches logic, but voters do." That was NBC's Chuck Todd on a recent edition of "Meet the Press Daily," sharing his disbelief that Russia would have invaded Ukraine if Donald Trump were still president. Todd's comments came in reaction to recent polls showing that a solid majority of Americans believe exactly that. This isn't exactly a hypothetical, of course, considering that Trump was president for four years, not too long ago, while Vladimir Putin was president of Russia. Per The Hill: "A new Harvard Center for American Political Studies (CAPS)-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president. When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way." Another poll released this week from HarrisX echoes the Harvard poll: 58 percent of voters blame Biden's policies for the Russian invasion, while 42 percent blame Trump’s policies. Among independents, the people who ultimately decide many elections, 66 percent blame Biden while just 34 percent blame Trump. To peel the onion further, here are some easy questions to ask if you take away all the usual distractions that the mere mention of the names "Trump" or "Biden" provides to any conversation from a partisan perspective: Did Putin invade any neighboring countries when Trump was in power from January 2017 to January 2021? (Answer: No.) Did Putin invade or annex any neighboring countries when President Obama was in power prior to Trump? (Answer: Yes — Putin invaded Georgia in 2010 and annexed Crimea in 2014.) Yet here we are, almost 14 months since Trump was in the Oval Office, and he’s still living rent-free in the minds of those who get paid to talk about world affairs on TV. And as usual, there’s a disconnect between them and the public.
On tiktok, I saw a scene from the TV show "scandal," when Kerry Washington was teaching a class and she asked a question what is the number one mistake people make in a crisis situation and there were a few answers that didn't get to the point and then annalize Keating from how to get away with murder raised her hand and said that the people in the crisis don't know that they're in one. I think that that's definitely happening here especially with this board but the fact of the matter is is that we are in the beginnings of world war III and to think that we're not is just very naive. It is clear that Vladimir Putin is willing to do anything; any amount of atrocities to get his way and I don't think it's going to stop short of what he's doing right now. It's just going to get worse and at that point you know what's going to happen -- the world is going to wake up and they're going to have to do something about it. It is clear that Putin is more akin to Hitler than he is the anything else and so he's willing to do what he's got to do.
It isn't abnormal that people fighting for separation from the nation would both kill and be killed. Separatists in Dombass have been violent and killing as well. That isn't abnormal nor is it justification for Putin's invasion. His invasion was unprovoked.
Do they? No we don't know that. What we know is that Putin is a compulsive liar and that he has wanted the Ukraine for 20 years and will do anything to get it.... including killing innocent people, starting a war and destroying his own economy. So I don't really give a lot of credence to the idea. This is the man that claimed a Holocaust in the Ukraine based on the Ukrainians cheering Germany for liberating them from Lenin and starvation in 1940.
LOL pertinent question........ WHY would Putin not invade the Ukraine if Trump was in power? Yeah.... that is kind of the important question to ask.
I'm not under any circumstance going to give ANY credence or entertain Russia's claims of anything. It's shocking you'd think they have any sort of relevance as a source to justify any sort of "both sides" of the situation. Putin is a liar and a murder. Putin is murdering hundreds of innocent Ukrainians for no freaking good reason... END. There is no justification for what he's doing, and we should just shut this BS conversation down right now. If you are sucked into Putin's lies as any sort of justification I don't really know what to say. I've followed your posts for awhile now and thought you'd be a bit better than to walk that line. I expect it from Daschuda, Commodore, or Traderjoe. Be better than that man.
The biggest reason why Putin is invading Ukraine is to stop it from joining NATO, Trump might have disbanded NATO if he stayed in power for four more years.
It's a fair point that if Trump was in office Putin might not have felt the need to invade Ukraine because he might have remained convinced he could collapse the Zelensky government and get Ukraine back under his control without an all out military conflict.
