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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. SuraGotMadHops

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    I'll clarify, I do not hate Biden voters, I just liked the post bc the poster had the balls to call out Biden voters for putting this country in a heap of mess.

    While I don't hate Biden voters, I do not have much respect for them on a mental level, as I find they all have some combination of a lack of intelligence/gullibility/naivety/ignorance/hypocrisy...but mostly lack of intelligence.
     
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    This is false. I don't know how to help you if you don't want the truth.
     
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  3. justtxyank

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    In December 2021 environmentalists were blasting Biden because his administration was approving more public land drilling permits per month than Trump did.
     
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  4. justtxyank

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    Remember the Saudi/Soviet issue that saw oil prices plummet before COVID and saw a lot of Houston layoffs? You know the one that had all the oil man wives on Facebook attacking people for celebrating cheap gas prices because it meant good guys were losing jobs?

    Oh, no? We forgot that one too huh.

    And then oil hitting $0 per barrel in March 2020 because supply was WAY too high when the pandemic hit and people were literally paying to offload oil supply that they did have storage for?
     
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    That was somehow President Biden's fault, too...right @SuraGotMadHops?
     
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  6. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    The good ole days. **** actually went negative lol. BTW there actually weren't a lot of layoffs here in Houston. You know why? Because the O&G companies never hired back the masses they laid off in 2008 lol. They've just been pocketing cash and buying back stock the entire time!
     
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  8. justtxyank

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    A lot of smaller companies had layoffs that were involved in the shale stuff.

    But yeah, I think at one a lot of small traders were paying something like $50 per barrel to get people to take the oil off their hands. Like not selling it for profit, but giving it away and paying for the transport because they literally had no storage available. It was a squeeze.

    People have completely forgotten what was going on in OG because of the pandemic.
     
  9. SuraGotMadHops

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    I dont know how looking back on a pandemic specific crises from 2 years ago relates to the new crisis going on now. I guess that's the liberal way.
     
  10. subtomic

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    The Keystone pipeline was only 8% completed and was being built to ship oil (and particularly shitty oil at that) out of the country - mostly to China if I remember correctly. It literally would have no effect on oil production - none.
     
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    worthwhile thread.

     
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  12. justtxyank

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    At this point people who don't know this just don't want to know it.
     
  13. Invisible Fan

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    Their IT startup revival from a decade ago is as stillborn as their population growth rates. Sending all those dudes off to another country aint helping that.
     
  14. hooroo

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    The other narrative Putin is pushing is how the Ukraine were secretly weaponizing with nukes funded by the US who are also in control of the region.
     
  15. leroy

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    You're not this dense, are you? It wasn't a pandemic specific crisis. The reason prices were so low during trumpybear's administration is because OPEC flooded the market. This was news all over the place. The pandemic only exacerbated things. It caused domestic production to slow dramatically because they had to PAY TO GET RID OF THE OIL. Then once things loosened, the demand was way more than the supply could handle...and since you can't just turn these things back on, here we are.,

    Is it that hard of a concept?

    I think I'll follow @justtxyank's advice. You don't want to know the truth because the lie is better for your view. I'll just stop responding to this nonsense now.
     
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  16. subtomic

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    Republicans have run this country into the ground economically time and time again.

    Republicans were the ones who pushed us into 2 invasions with no defined (let alone clearly defined) end goals

    Republicans are the ones who weakened unions and led to the exodus of manufacturing jobs thus decimating the working class

    Republicans are the ones who have appointed judges whose decisions have flooded politics with dark money and granted all the rights (but none of the responsibilities or accountabilities) of personhood.

    Republicans are the ones who vote against any legislation that invests in our country or establishing the education and healthcare infrastructure that would close the QOL gap between the US and the rest of the civilized world

    Republicans have elected brazenly stupid, corrupt and incompetent individuals to the Presidency, under whose leadership the worst crises of our country in the past 30 years have occurred.

    I can't emphasize this enough - the "messes" in this country are almost entirely caused by stupid, selfish Republican voters (or the conservative Independents who are too cowardly to own where they place their loyalty) like yourself.

    Honestly, do us all a favor and move away - far away - and stop screwing up our country.
     
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    Outside the normal blame game (please get me started on Dub****...), one side points fingers at the other for ruining the nation, yet we've had alternating presidencies since the first Bush and even more swings with Congress.

    At some point, voters have to realize how shitty they are rather than the awful politicians they elect then b**** about....
     
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    Well said. I was for G.H.W. Bush's response to Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. Saddam had essentially won his war with Iran and bet that the West, the US in particular, wouldn't respond. Bad bet. To tell the truth, Bush's defeat vs Clinton surprised me. I voted for Clinton, but wouldn't have been surprised at all had he lost.

    In the runup to the second Gulf War, however, I was ardently against it. I was a member here by then and said so many times, arguing that it was madness, would destabilize the region, was clearly based on doctored "evidence," and repeated something I particularly believed then and still believe today. An obvious truism far too many ignore. Wars have unintended consequences. We're still paying for that war in so many ways. It weakened us militarily, it helped the rise of China, it destabilized the Middle East and a host of other consequences that were a big negative for the US and our allies.

    War with Russia would be absolutely insane. Biden, early on, said he wouldn't take actions that would put us in direct conflict with Russia. He meant it, but the response to Putin's act of blatant aggression against a sovereign state has been far stronger than Putin imagined. I wish he had sent US military power to Eastern Europe earlier than he has, before the invasion, but he has been amazingly tough in this instance. Kudos to the guy. I just wish he could give a better speech.
     
  19. SuraGotMadHops

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    Says its not a pandemic specific crisis...then proceeds to explain how the pandemic affected production to the point they had to pay to get rid of oil.

    Keep going man.
     
  20. Invisible Fan

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    "Pandemic specific" means the pandemic was the only cause. He specifically stated other root causes pre-pandemic.

    Does that give you a better response to his reply?
     

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