I don't care about it and I think it's probably not a big deal, but it's useful for the Russia. One of the Russian propaganda techniques is known as "firehose of falsehood". Massive flooding with outright lies to partial truth. Non-stop. Every single little bit of material they can use for propaganda, they will. Fabrication is the hardest to do and the easiest and most effective for them are the partial truth twisted to their narrative. This could easily fall into the NATO is trying to assassinate our leader, our enemy that is driving Ukraine military, taking attention away from their much harder fabricated lies about Ukraine is our enemy.
So? It isn't a good thing and neo-nazi's are disgusting BUT it is nothing more than a distraction from what is really happening in the Ukraine. Also Europe is full of neo-nazi's and there are some in the USA too..... having been the Ukraine and Russia, I would feel confident saying there appear to be more neo-nazi's in Russia. That doesn't even get into the fact that as a general rule Russians don't like Jews..... of non-slavs or women or LGBTQ or really anyone one that isn't Russian. Agreed. He is also talking about a Holocaust of Russians in the Ukraine, that they are being stripped of their cultural identity and history. It is all self serving. He wants the Ukraine because of his ego and because it is the size of Texas and has a tremendous amount of resources. He is at the point where he cannot separate what is good for him and what is good for his people and humanity.
There is not a brigade of neo Nazis in the Texas national guard with thousands of soldiers and a flag. I guess that's my point.
Russians could face 15-year prison terms for sharing 'fake' reports Russians could face prison sentences of up to 15 years for spreading information that goes against the Russian government's position on the war in Ukraine, according to the Associated Press. The Russian parliament voted unanimously Friday to approve a draft law criminalizing the intentional spreading of what Russia deems to be “fake” reports. Russian authorities have repeatedly decried reports of Russian military setbacks or civilian deaths in Ukraine as “fake” reports. State media outlets refer to Russia's invasion of Ukraine as a “special military operation” rather than a “war" or “invasion.” The draft law was approved by the lower and upper houses of parliament in quick succession and is now set to be signed into law by President Vladimir Putin to take effect as soon as Saturday, the speaker of the lower house, Vyacheslav Volodin, said. “It is possible that by tomorrow, its rules will force those lied and made statements discrediting our armed forces to bear very grave punishment,” Volodin said. “I want everyone to understand, and for society to understand, that we are doing this to protect our soldiers and officers, and to protect the truth.” The Associated Press contributed to this report.
This is the biggest issue IMO. The Ukraine gives up it's nuclear weapons after pressure from the West, all to appease Russia. The USA and NATO stall and do not admit Ukraine and other nations to appease Russia. The USA and NATO do not send in troops and weaponry to the Ukraine border to appease Russia. Everyone is bending over backwards to appease a dictator that is going to do what he is going to do regardless. He already has over other areas of the world with little consequence. Now the USA and NATO talk tough about how if Putin enters a NATO country, they will attack...... when the reality is that is an arbitrary line and I doubt that Putin is even convinced that NATO and the USA would send in troops if he did make excursions into a NATO nation.... it is an ARBITRARY line. Also, a number of people that know Putin and have studied him, that understand Russia culture have said that sanctions largely won't stop him.... and that makes sense as the West has sanctioned him for years without stopping him. I am not saying Putin is Hitler.... but a lot of the justifications to not stop Germany in the 1930's is being used now..... and that includes the distractions like "the Ukraine is racist", "there are neo nazi's in the Ukraine", "Russians in the Ukraine are oppressed" .......... NONE of it is relevant, it is just a distraction from the fact that Putin invaded another nation for a land grab, and it isn't the first time he has done it. Also, just like Hitler; Putin is saying exactly what he wants and expects to accomplish.... there is no mystery here.
Wonder if we'll see a slow down of bots and trolls sowing political discord here? @MojoMan @Commodore
This. I agree, but no official office holder should be saying it. There are Neo Nazis in the US armed forces, what's your point?
Its so maddening and sad what's going on over in Ukraine. This guy survived a tank running over his car. More picture below per CNN. https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/14/world/gallery/ukraine-russia-crisis/index.html
I think that the gamble is not to stop Putin personally as he can only stop himself by going senile. The gamble should be to hope that the sanctions could sway the public to cause an uprising and that Putin could no longer sit on his throne but to resign in the near future. To sway the oligarchs to turn against him etc.
There are a few people in here that show such a gullibility and propensity to believe pro-Putin Fascist propaganda that there is no doubt 80 years ago they could have easily been convinced to run the gas chambers at Auschwitz.
I was reading a report. I can't find it bow. Putin has said he doesn't care how sanctions effect the Russian population and Russia has enough money. They would just need to switch some projects around.
No that's not your point. Racism happens every day in America, and also the military is not immune from bad actors, and white supremacists'. At a tense mass refugee crossing, it's not unheard of to have discriminatory behavior in any situation. It doesn't mean that it's a government sanctioned and widely spread national ideology. You are absolutely trying to make a bigger point here about reasons for Ukraine actually needing to be invaded, or having some sort of agency in the cause. You'll probably get all worked up about me accusing you of that being your point, but we all know that's the point you were getting at.
The head of Russia's foreign intelligence did recently release a statement using all of their trigger words. Mask, liberal, cancel it. I'm sure woke and rigged election will be following soon.
There's a large majority of a major party that could be convinced of it today. They wave flags and have golden statues. They attend nonsensical rallies.
If he successfully takes Ukraine, it's going to be a huge propaganda win for him to bolster Russian nationalism. The way people turn on him is if he's running his country into the ground AND failing/looking weak in what he's doing. That's yet another reason for the West to make their stand in Ukraine instead of waiting for the next country he inevitably goes after.
This is a very dangerous train of thought too though. So lets say there IS an uprising in the streets of Russia..... what is most likely to happen? Putin will do everything to put them down, and that will cause a lot of instability and possibly a civil war. Let's say than a cadre of Russian elites decide to overthrow and kill Putin..... if they are not successful, he will be even more paranoid and unstable. If they ARE successful and kill him, there is still going to be chaos about who takes over, and we don't even know who they would be or how they would rule.... plus that would likely cause issues between the USA and China.... because BOTH will want to have a lot of influence in the government of Russia.
The one thing that those that know Putin have said is that he doesn't care how sanctions impact the Russian population because he feels it is for the greater good.
