It's quite obvious to me this is in fact about race. I was saying this to @Nook earlier. But I don't think this is something that is a damning judgement of people - I honestly believe they are unaware of their bias and you can see them struggle at times to rationalize it as they try to explain their difference in feelings about this conflict versus previous ones. It's almost they are just about to realize something about their bias. The truth is that we live in a world where the lives are white people are more precious that brown. That is simply a fact. And I think we'll be better off the sooner more people just acknowledge the truth instead of bullshitting themselves. By the way, I am glad you can admit that some topics make you uncomfortable because they challenge your views on who you are. I think that's such a big thing and I have much respect to you for that.
You really are acting ridiculous. I suppose you call Asians brown too. How about Hispanics? Do you consider them brown too? How about people with dark tans? Get off your race boat dude. It's time people just looked at everyone else as human beings and quit defining them by the color of their skin. All lives matter.
I actually agree with you that the Russians weren't going to back down and that the West has more than a little to do with precipitating this war with its aggressive expansion of NATO and its anti-Russian geopolitical maneuvering. But I'm also not sorry for it. And, I think our leadership is aware of our culpability and also not sorry for it. Russia is a dictatorship. The more territory we can pull from its sphere of influence, the better. The more we can threaten the stability of the government of the dictatorship, the better. Our brinksmanship will help cause many deaths in Ukraine, but it will probably also keep millions of people out of dictatorship all over Eastern Europe. And, in a world where the US and China vie for spheres of power, ours is now somewhat larger than it would have been, the US is stronger, and its people safer and more prosperous. Pre-war, I argued that we should try to cut a deal, to cede back some Russian influence in Ukraine to avoid violence. Who knows which side was the intractable one in those negotiations. But the negotiations failed so now we're in it. And you think we should do what? Walk away? Pursue irrational and suicidal policies as a culmination of a mistake drawn to its logical conclusion? Cut a deal with Putin? How would you like to see this situation resolved now? You should have perhaps agreed on a common definition with @HTM on what "brown" is before saying he's wrong. As I usually use the term, it includes everyone not affirmatively white in the American context - everyone potentially subject to racial discrimination here (and, thinking internationally here, Western Europe). So, yeah, asians, hispanics, jews, arabs, native americans, etc.
Where have you seen that Russia has threatened to nuke NATO? If true is this only in response to we will nuke NATO if they nuke us?
Wut? That makes zero sense, she just refuted his point with raw number this had nothing to do with racial bias. This is why we can't have meaningful discussions because people want to inject their agendas into everything. If the same thing was happening in an African country, you can dm well bet they would be 1st looking out for their own.
Again, most Democrats don't have a problem accepting refugees, regardless of race, religion, or skin color. The majority of those unaccepting Americans seem to stem from the Republican Party. They still raise Confederate flags proudly, and wear those white hoods. You will never hear me debate against justice and acceptance of all.
Just to clarify, I did not know whether it was or wasn't race based. HOWEVER, since then I have seen several videos where minority women were not allowed to enter trains and it appeared that there was room on the train. This goes against what the explanation given by the officers. The explanation was that women and children and Ukrainian citizens were given priority. I don't have a problem with them prioritizing women and children and Ukrainian citizens. However at least in some cases they did not do that. Now they were told by the government to not continue doing what they were doing. So I don't see how it can be anything but racism in at least some circumstances and it likely personifies racism in the Ukraine. I would say that the issue of racism in the Ukraine right now should probably be secondary to the war. I would also add that racism in Europe is not a surprise. I have seen a number of examples of racism in Europe and the USA. I did have someone tell me that the government prioritizing Ukrainian citizens is racist. I will just say that almost all countries would prioritize their citizens. Also I agree that people being open to considering new things and being uncomfortable is a very good thing. I have grown a lot as a person from realizing the way I see the world isn't necessarily right.
Your bonafides as an expert on Russia? I don't know whether they will rally around Putin or not. Some of the elite whose speak English and pal around with western journalists or corporate employees or folks whos iphones don't work or whose yachts have been seized will oppose Putin and may even welcome crippling sanctions and even a US invasion as some of the elite in Venezuela have . I suspect that there are many relatively uneducated Russian only speakers who are about as sophisticated as the dumbest of the MAGA crowd or the average American who will rally around the stupidest of wars as 90% of this bbs did during Dubya's war..
I'll apologize. You were the first to make the claim that Americans accept mostly brown refugees, and probably @HTM should have been the one to seek clarity on what you meant by "brown" before criticizing. And to your broader point, I'm proud of our country's history of taking "brown" refugees, understood either widely or narrowly. Though I'd also point out that it's something the federal government does often in the face of public opposition. And yes the opposition comes from Republicans, but even Democrats are not immune to the insidious bias that might make them worry about a Congolese family while welcoming a Ukrainian one.
Yes, there are race problems in Europe, if you follow soccer you are well aware of it. But, right now, we can't tackle those as we have a madman threatening a foreign country and threatening to use Nukes if we side with that country. Unfortunately, if the rumors of Russia doing public executions once they control the city are true, Nato will be forced to go in....as a peacekeeper. This is looking more and more likely to end in WW3. Which could be the end of humanity. DD
FWIW when I went to Moscow as a tourist about 5 years ago our tour guide was a young woman who was quite proud of the fact that the weekend before she and her family went out and protested some Putin policy. IIRC she had spent a semester or two abroad in the US. There were a couple of hundred folks at the demo which made it very unusual. No fan of Putin herself she stated that he was nonetheless very popular among most Russians.
Really interesting thread on the psyops around Russian paratroopers. Basically Russia thought Ukraine would fall over so they deployed paratroopers to act as thugs and riot police. But Ukraine fought back so they were all sitting ducks. But it sheds a light on some of the terrible assumptions Russia made in this war.
Israel's main goal are somehow to get some more white Jews from either Russia or Ukraine to immigrate there and the more right wing the better so they can fit in with the existing governments.
I do not know what the obsession is with race and skin color by you people, but you do you. I do not want to enable or support Russian dictatorship. However, at the moment, I am much more concerned about the insane, depraved, unhinged, and aggressively anti-social totalitarian behavior from the Democrat left and the crew that you support here in this country. I do not support their advancement, either. What they are promoting is no more attractive than what Putin represents, and actually appears to be less attractive. These are not virtuous or good people. Quite the contrary. As a result, I choose to oppose both. This is not a simple minded choice between good and evil, with us being the good and the Russians being the evil. There is nothing good about any of this or either of the two cabals. That being said, the bigger priority here needs to be to undermine the WEF/globalist elite crowd, which clearly is supported by your crew up in Washington. We must not allow them to achieve their objectives. That would be devastating for all mankind. That is more important here than this current conflict between NATO and Russia.
Maybe rendition them to black sites like maybe our allies in the Middle East to be tortured. Hey keep them at Guantanamo as they are set up for torture and operate outside of international law.
