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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. JuanValdez

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    I'm wondering in the opposite direction -- if these sanctions are very effective, at what point does Russia decide it constitutes an act of aggression that requires an aggressive response. Is it not possible that Russia will respond with missiles if the sanctions really do strangle the country?

    This is somehow hilarious, heartwarming, sobering, and menacing all at the same time. I hope no Russian mothers go to Kyiv to get their sons -- it's a war zone!
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    This seems unnecessarily complex. If Lukashenko wants to fight, he can just go and fight.
     
  3. SamFisher

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    There's a pro Russia faction and an anti-Russia faction in the GOP - meanwhile democratic socialist Bernie Sanders is threatening to beat Putin's ass with a jug of maple syrup

    What a time to be alive.
     
  4. DonnyMost

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    It's always funny whenever some novel problem (typically international) pops up and upsets the American partisan political applecart/hatemachine.

    Quick! Someone tell me what to think and who to be mad at!
     
  5. deb4rockets

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    Do you realize we take in more brown refugees than white?

    Americans have been divided in recent years over whether the U.S. should accept refugees, with large differences by political party affiliation. In a May 2018 survey, for example, about half of Americans (51%) said the U.S. has a responsibility to accept refugees into the country, while 43% said it does not. Around three-quarters of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents (74%) said the U.S. has this responsibility, compared with 26% of Republicans and Republican leaners.

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    As for those saying "What about Yemen and Syria?" Well. The number of U.S. refugees from Syria and Iran dropped considerably in FY18 due to implementation of the latest version of the Trump administration’s travel ban, which prevents individuals from Iran, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Yemen and certain government officials from Venezuela from entering the U.S.

    I don't have the current numbers.
     
  6. Xopher

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    This is true. It could go either way. Putin controls the press in Russia. I am sure he playing on national loyalty, etc. Which side will win. Who knows?
     
  7. Xopher

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    Probably going to take more than a million.
     
  8. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Are you saying this disproves what I am saying?
     
  9. Xopher

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    Bill Barr proved your exact point the other day. These guys don't do what they should do when they have the power to do something. Yet crow about it afterwards
     
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    I seriously doubt Russia needs to drag Belarus into this war when it effectively already is in the war.
     
  11. Amiga

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    He’s very unpopular at home. A general made a speech to not listen to military order attacking Ukraine.
     
  12. Amiga

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    How deep are they involved now? I heard they were going to declare war but haven't seen it.
     
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    Duh. Brown people make up like 90% of the worlds population and predominantly white countries are far richer and have far fewer refugees.
     
  15. B-Bob

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    I dunno. RN, 1M US $ = every ruble in existence, so... ;)
     
  16. JuanValdez

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    The calculus on whether or not to embargo Russian oil and gas is very complex. It would have large effects on Western economies, people's welfare, and our own war-readiness in addition to the dynamic impacts it would have on Russia, Russian-Chinese relations, and Russia's war effort. I like how a cartoon can strip away all that nuance and make a simple-minded argument that whatever Biden is doing is the opposite of whatever he should be doing.
     
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    You are glossing over a major fact we are talking about major world changing events with countries that have nuclear abilities, it's so much deeper than what the color of their skin is.

    One country has not outright raided another country since the 1st Iraq war, and we see how people came together over that.

    I really hope this discussion does not devolve into race because It's so much bigger than that, and it ignores the fact that a lot of countries have been open to refugees of all races, let's not hold up a few examples of things we don't know the entire story about.
     
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  18. NewRoxFan

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    Simple minded, cartoon, and mojoman.
     
  19. jiggyfly

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    When was American energy shut down by Exec order?

    When did we start depending on Russian energy?

    these guys are not even trying to make sense or use facts anymore.
     
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  20. geeimsobored

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    Russia is in the process of closing off its borders. Several land borders have closed and planes are being routed back to Russia. Combined with the full ban on independent media and the slow but inevitable shutdown of western social media, we're seeing a full return of the Iron Curtain.

     
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